[rollei_list] Re: Old film
- From: Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 01:14:43 -0700
John,
Right, some of the best meters I have ever used, and
still do, are from Newark, New Jersey.
Jerry
John Jensen wrote:
> I agree with Jerry. What is wrong with Eastern
> meters, particularly those from Newark, New Jersey?
>
> John
>
> --- Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Marv,
> >
> > Unless you understand the Zone System, the spotmeter
> > is f*#&ing useless!
> >
> > Which "western" meter are you talking about? What
> > is wrong with eastern
> > meters?
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Marvin Wallace wrote:
> >
> > > I think that most photographers would not be using
> > the leading 1950's film
> > > meter but the easiy available and resonbly priced
> > western meter (which I
> > > began with) and find that compared to my modern
> > Sekonic spot meter its
> > > rubbish.
> > > The point being that I am talking about spot
> > meters; I don't think they even
> > > existed in the 50's.
> > > The idea is not to compare the exposure so much
> > from each meter, but to
> > > understand that the spot meter will read a 1-5%
> > area for you, and thus
> > > render your exposure very accurately within the
> > available lighting
> > > situation.
> > > I will say that I do not have much experience with
> > colour film but am
> > > predisposed to B&W photography.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Richard Knoppow
> > > Sent: 31 May 2005 08:06
> > > To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Old film
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Marvin Wallace" <Marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:34 PM
> > > Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Old film
> > >
> > > > An interesting distinction here between the
> > photographer
> > > > and the collecter.
> > > > A Rollei a 1960's Planar will give equal or
> > better results
> > > > than the modern
> > > > equivalent; old film is not as good as modern
> > film; older
> > > > b/w papers are
> > > > sometimes better because of the higher silver
> > content.
> > > > And ask for old light meters ! A modern light
> > meter will
> > > > give a more
> > > > accurate measurement of light; so that the
> > lighting
> > > > conditions can be more
> > > > accurately translated to film (modern film)
> > which records
> > > > better.
> > > > I am always surprised that people use old meters
> > the
> > > > modern equivalents are
> > > > much better.
> > > > An analogy regarding the use of light meters
> > would be, the
> > > > USA making a
> > > > Space Rocket and then using a compass as the
> > guidance
> > > > system.
> > > > Marvin.
> > > >
> > > Part of the reason is cost. Modern exposure
> > meters are
> > > quite expensive. Older meters can be cheap. Also,
> > the
> > > difference in "accuracy" is not that great. A good
> > older
> > > meter will usually agree with a more modern one as
> > far as a
> > > simple reading. Also, exposure is to some extent
> > relative,
> > > no matter how sophisticated the meter the
> > photographer must
> > > still understand what he/she is reading and the
> > relation to
> > > what the film is recording.
> > > Modern films are better than the older ones in a
> > couple of
> > > ways, particularly having finer grain and better
> > > resolution/sharpness. However, as far as tone
> > rendition, I
> > > am not sure there has been much change. Its easy
> > to find 60
> > > or 70 or more year old negatives that make very
> > good prints.
> > > Paper is another problem. I am not at all sure
> > that modern
> > > papers are as good as those of the past but, of
> > course,
> > > since one can not directly compare, its impossible
> > to know.
> > > >From published data modern papers are certainly
> > capable of
> > > higher Dmax than those of, say, 1950, but Dmax is
> > not the
> > > alpha and omega of paper performance.
> > > Speaking of papers I have just been testing
> > Freestyle's
> > > Arista Edu, which at a guess is Kentmere. Its on a
> > somewhat
> > > light weight base but otherwise seems to be nice
> > paper and
> > > is relatively cheap. It curls more than either
> > Kodak or
> > > Agfa.
> > >
> > > ---
> > > Richard Knoppow
> > > Los Angeles, CA, USA
> > > dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
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