Grain is indeed a feature of film, and can either add character or ruin a photograph, depending on intentions.
"Traditional" photography is in no way more fine art than digital photography. Daguerrotypes are not more fine art than silver/gelatin either. The art is in the result, not the medium. A great picture is great, regardless of the medium and a grotty little picture from a mobile phone or digicam is as uninteresting as similar dross from an instamatic (or Rolleiflex if the photograph is poor).
This risks getting like the old "photography is not art because it isn't difficult enough" argument we used to get from painters.
Frank On 23 Jul, 2007, at 11:55, Carlos Manuel Freaza wrote:
Grain is superb for the image texture if the grain is not exaggerated and according the image composition, it contributes for the image character. Traditional photography is fine arts. All the best Carlos --- Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:They are very much different but, IMHO, not as different as, for example oils versus acrylic paint, and certainly either of these compared to watercolour. At the end of whatever process one has chosen, film - develop - enlarge - develop print. Digital to print, digital to print via some sort of manipulation software or a scanned film hybrid to digital print a photographic print is the result. Some people refer to prints from digital as "plastic" I assume they refer to the lack of grain (???) in fact for me it has taken "photographic realism" to a higher plane. I processed my own film all my photographic life. I have had a darkroom in my house most of the last 45 years. I still take photographs on film for fun - but for me the whole enlarge and develop process - which is a technical skill I felt I was still improving even after so long - particularly "mastering" the tiny dynamic range and extreme contrast of Cibachrome - was hard work and very time consuming. (Incidentally anybody thinking digital has a restricted dynamic range should try enlarging a Kodachrome slide onto Ciba). I now print entirely from the computer and if I am interrupted it is no longer an inconvenience/catastrophe. If your main objective is to consistently produce good prints my experience tells me digital is the best way. The downside is cost. My Canon EOS 1Ds mk2 was very much more expensive than my Rolleiflex so you need to have been a real film eater for digital to be a choice based on economy rather than results. Frank On 23 Jul, 2007, at 02:57, ERoustom wrote:My first two days in my darkroom have me gleefullypuzzled. Thereis so much to learn, and it will be a while beforeI'm comfortablymaking the all those connections from behind thelens to in frontof the fix bath. It makes scanning negatives seemeasy and fast.Peter's simile is so apt. Gaining skill,intellectual, physical andtechnical, and truly learning to be patient iswhat filmphotography (that goes the full cycle from clickto print) is allabout. It's a medium, and a discipline. My thinking about how I use my camera(s) whatfilms I choose,has changed completely since the darkroom (and myunderdevelopedfilm) humbled me this weekend. Maybe film anddigital shouldn't becompared. It's clear to me now that they dodifferent things, anddemand different approaches. Elias On Jul 21, 2007, at 3:06 PM, J Patric Dahlénwrote:Peter Nebergall wrote:Comparing film to digital is like comparing theNY Philharmonicto a state of the art rock synthesizer. One is cheaper,faster, and moreconvenient;the other is high art.Very well said, Peter! I own a digital compact camera, but I don't liketo use it to takephotos of my loved ones... Instead I use it forfast documentationand when I need photos of something to show onthe internet/sendwith email... There are more feelings involved when I use mycameras for film,and work in the darkroom. Then I feel creative. 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