[rollei_list] Re: OT Re: Super Ikonta B -> Bessa

  • From: `Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 12:38:42 -0800

    I think the Ektars also used rare earth glasses. All of the Ektar series were designed for color photography because Kodak was promoting color films. While most are conventional designs they are very nearly apochromatic especially the Commercial Ektar made for LF cameras. The original Tessar was an f/6.3 lens. While much work was done on increasing the speed it seems still to be about optimum. Kodak did, however, make a   12", f/4.5 Ektar, intended mainly for use with slow Kodachrome. I have a set of cells but no shutter or barrel for them.
    Graflex used Zeiss Tessars on Speed Graphics for a couple of decades until WW-2 made them unavailable (along with Compur shutters). They then switched to Kodak Ektars. While the Tessar was a very good lens the Ektar is noticeably sharper, particularly in the rendition of fine textures. However, the uncoated Ektar has a flare spot from bright objects near the center of the field which the Tessar does not. The coated version of  the Ektar does not have the spot.
    Of course every lens maker made some version of the Tessar with widely varying quality. My experience with the Wollensak Raptar, as used on some post war Speed Graphics, is that they are awful lenses.

On 3/7/2020 10:36 AM, Eric Goldstein wrote:

Yes, you're right... the Ektar 101 is f/4.5 and the 127 is f/4.7

Part of the reason these Ektars may perform so well is that these
apertures are pretty much the design speed of a tessar-type at these
image circles. f/3.5 for a 69 tessar-type is aspirational, especially
for front cell focusers, and f/2.8 has got to be pretty compromised.

But larger negatives meant less enlargement, so less critical..


Eric Goldstein

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On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 12:02 PM `Richard Knoppow <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
     The 101mm Ektar is one of the best of the series. I think it
is f/4.5 not 4.7. The 127mm version, found on 4x5 Graphics,  is
f/4.7 because of the limitation imposed by the clear aperture of
the shutter, it is the same design. Another lens used on the baby
Graphic is the 105mm, f/3.7 Ektar. It is a modified Heliar
design. It is similar, if not identical, to the lens used on the
Kodak Medalist camera. A similar design was also used for some
Kodak enlarging lenses. The design is by Fred Altman of Kodak.
The patent is interesting and worth reading.
USP 2,279,384  It is an astonishingly sharp lens and nearly
apochromatic.

On 3/7/2020 4:48 AM, Eric Goldstein wrote:
Agreed. They don't have the image quality of my Baby Speed with Ektar
101/4.7 and 69 back. But they are much more compact, lighter, and the
lens is a stop faster.

The gold standard of the vintage 69 folders is the Bessa II w/Heliar I
think but they are ridiculously expensive. The Bessa IIs with Color
Skopar are not that much less expensive. The 105/3.7 Ektar on a Baby
Speed is as fine or better a performer than these two, but again the
size disadvantage is in play.


Eric Goldstein

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On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 5:53 AM David Stumpp <photos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote (snipped):

I do love these 6x9 cameras for their size and weight and their relatively good 
image quality, but, in terms of image quality, none of them have an edge on my 
Fujica 690. If not for that camera’s weight, I’d carry it a lot more.
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