P.S:- Vignetting on the 21 is observable on film and could be better, that is its major weakness. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Lal" <alal@xxxxxxxx>
To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, 21 November, 2009 3:41 PM Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: Leica vs. Zeiss
This is interesting, as my own experiences have been quite different.Back in the '80s I owned the 21 Elmarit. I already had the 21 SA and the 19 Elmarit for the R. I was expecting it to be noticeably better than both. It was not so eventually it was sold. More recently, I got the 21 Biogon for the M and could not be more pleased with its performance.----- Original Message ----- From: "J M N" <retinaiiic@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, 19 November, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: Leica vs. Zeiss I don't know what to tell you Mark.The other day I was sorting through my slides weeding out slides here and there that I had taken with the Nikon 21mm. In the process I came up on the slides that I had taken with the Elmarit and the Biogon and I nearly fell of the chair. I was using the old green Kodak slide viewer with the dial rheostat to control the brightness of the lamp. I later put the slides in a carosel and projected them. There was a distiction between the three were clear. And I was comparing Kodachrome with Kodachrome.Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:00:31 -0500 Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: Leica vs. Zeiss From: mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > The Zeiss ZM 21mm f/2.8 Biogon T* is about as subtle as a tin whistle. > Very disappointing compared to a 21mm 2.8 Elmarit. > I've used them both. > > John >Your opinion varies diametrically from the target test audience the 21mm 2.8Elmarit is the single most critized Leica lens ever made and was rejected off hand by most shooters who simply continued to use the JSK 21mm 3.4 Schneider Super Angulon instead until the Leica ASPH version came out recently. The LEICA ELMARIT-M 21 mm f/2.8 ASPH which used modern methods to cut the ASHP element without doubling the price of the lens. It successfully priced the wide spread use classic of the JSK optic and permitted metering through the lens. It's widely used. I use it. Though I'm glad I'm not buying it now.I got mine at the end of 2001 and its doubled in price now costing 4 grand.I shoot interiors with it using it like non retrofocal lens.The ZM 21mm f/2.8 Biogon is supposed to be a non retrofocal lens or darnedclose to it if that's possible and at half the size and weight of theELMARIT ASPH making it one of the few ZM's I can see myself wanting to use like when I'm out when my camera all day. It gets raves from everybody; diehard Leica people. The LEICA ELMARIT-M 21 mm f/2.8 ASPH I'd not want hanging off my arm all day. The best Cosina glass for Leica and others is the slow glass it makes andLeica does not compete with this its marketing people seem to determine theparameters of its next lens. F 1.4 or faster and be there for 7 grand. Cosina realize the advantages. incredibly compact glass and light weight with performance vying with fast high end glass. You just don't get thatfast f stop. This to me is what rangefinder photography is all about. Yournot looking through the lens it does not have to be bright. Mark William Rabiner --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list_________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx- Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org- Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org- Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list
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