If a market for PKR120 had really developed, Kodak probably would have branched out with a 25 and a 200. But even 20 years ago, Kodak was trying to move away from films as slow as 25, which are pretty much restricted to being used on a sunny day or with flash. I know at least one photographer who lamented the loss of Kodachrome 10 and refused to use the "fast" 64, but he is an exception. Now that Kodachrome is being discontinued, I gave him a roll of Velvia to test. The 200 speed version came about in part because there was some demand to push Kodachrome, and the indie labs did offer a 1 1/3 stop push service. I wasn't crazy about PKR200 due to the increase in grain. On the B&W side, there was Technical Pan film with ISO 25, but that was an adaptation of a graphic arts film with a special developer, and not really something to replace Panatomic X. Haven't they now discontinued the TP and replaced it with something else? --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list