Jeff - the 135mm lens is equivalent to a 35-40mm lens on 35mm - slight wide angle, and probably not necessary to have a bag bellows. A bag bellows is a second kind of bellows without the pleats/folds of a regular bellows. These pleats of a regular bellows bind up and get in the way with wider angle lenses when you are using camera movements - rise and fall and shift. Because the two standards are much closer together with shorter focal length lenses, there's not much room for the bellows to move around, hence the bag allows freedom of movements. 210 mm is equivalent to about a 50-60 mm lens and is great for tabletop and product shots and ok for portraits. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Kelley <jlkphoto@xxxxxxxxx> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 4:23 pm Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: Getting into 4x5 for the first time... Wow, I just got back from lunch and found all this great advice already! Thanks everyone! The 2 lenses in the kit are: Fujinon 210mm f5.6 and a Nikkor 135mm f5.6. The package includes a ton of accessories too. All for less than $900. This seems like a great deal when I look at ebay prices for a similar setup. The seller claims "mint" condition. I have not seen the equipment in person yet, however. Jeff On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I've been giving serious thought to trying 4x5 for the first time. I know nothing about it except from reading. I have about 40yrs of photo experience with 8mm through 6x9, though no view camera experience whatsoever. I found a local seller with a Sinar F, 2 lenses, and what appears to be everything needed to get going - except film. Does anyone reading know if this "kit" would be appropriate for a rank beginner to the world of 4x5? Jeff The words "Beginner" and "Sinar" has never been used in the same paragraph until this day and age with EBay. Sinar is an impossible dream come true camera for peoples whose commitment to sheet film is unquestioned. Thinking of it as a "I'm thinking of getting into 4x5 maybe I'll start out with a Sinar" is amazing. I'd have called you a liar if you told me some day a thing would happen that would get people talking like that. Mark William Rabiner markrabiner.com