Antonio you have a point, I do think that I have a stronger point though. The thrust of your argumentation is that Blair has similarities with Nazis; the term you used, was that his political flotation (whatever that means), was something akin to genetic determinism as supported by your source (unwarranted as that conclusion is by your source) In reply to your second point, yes Tony Blair and the Nazis invaded foreign countries, but then again so did the allies to end Nazism and the Vietnamese to end Communism in Cambodia. You are stranded in a sea of ambiguity because you have no meaningful statement to make except about Blair floating an idea about? How much more time do you want to make laboring the point? The conversation is getting further from the original point and more emotional and less rational as in progresses, this was typified in the statement you made "that there is no God". Let's stick to the thread, and not continue with this dialogue which neither of us to want to give up the point on. May God Bless you Regards, Marvin. -----Original Message----- From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Antonio Garcia Russell Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 2:10 AM To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: Daddy State Marvin, You are the only person that has said that. I never said Blair was talking about involuntary sterilisations. I said that the idea that the State would intervene in the child rearing abilities of certain groups still prevailed. This was in the context of your argument that such ideas where in the past and exclusive to the Nazis. Clearly they are not. Incidentally, on the subject of the Nazis and Tony Blair - they both also invaded foreign countries without provocation in the name of national security. Antonio On 10 Sep 2006, at 10:44, redleica wrote: > Antonio, > The statement that you are now making a quite far from the original > point. That Blair favours the state to intervene and involuntarily > sterilze undesirables. --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list