Well - the post-war Pentacon combine was an amalgamation of the East German remains of Zeiss Ikon and KW, so to that extent there was a Zeiss involvement. Praktica cameras vary considerably in quality - the earlier ones are certainly on a par with the competition, the later screw-mount ones somewhat agricultural but pretty reliable, and the electronic ones actually rather nice, but with a very poor reputation for failure. I rather like some of them. The Praktina range were excellent, and the Pentacon Super a complete white elephant, but a glorious one in many ways. Then there's the Contax S, the precursor to most 35mm SLRs in many ways. And the Werras - genuinely made by Zeiss in East Germany - are delightful. And I use my Pentacon 6TL a lot, although it's not as well-made as it should be, but it serves as a platform for the very decent Carl Zeiss Jena lenses. Although admittedly not as well as the Exacta 66 or the Arax. As to Soviet cameras, well early ones are generally of very high quality. A friend of mine opines that earlier Kiev rangefinders are better made than pre-war Contaxes; of that I am not sure, but I can say honestly that my Kiev 4 is utterly reliable and a decent camera, but not as nice as my Contax IIIa. I would say the same for my FED 2 against the Leica IIf. And my Kiev 10 and 15 35mm SLRs are at least interesting machines, and fully functional, if not the most user-friendly of items. The 10 has a very particular ugly beauty! Yes, it's certainly true that there were huge quality control problems in particular with the Soviet cameras, but to generalise from that that all Communist cameras are rubbish is rampant oversimplification. Nick ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list