I was in Africa shooting with a M4P. I placed my bag on the ground and the camera was struck slightly rigorously. The M4P has a ridiculous design using an aluminium rewind crank. The crank was deformed and would neither move forwards nor backwards. From that moment on the camera remained inoperative. A Nikon FM2 on the other hand is virtually indestructible. (I think the same could be said for Rollei TLR's in some ways, though the shutter mechanisms are delicate and the whole system relies upon it.) This may be why journalists moved over to Nikon, sturdier build, and a more flexible and forgiving system overall. It seems now Leica have moved away from the flimsy designs M6-M4P, back to the tank like construction, of the M2/3. Marvin. -----Original Message----- From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Marvin Sent: 30 September 2009 08:01 To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT: Leitz Neverload Kit Interesting that you find Hasselblad backs terrible to load--me too. Though I have found the Rollei 35 the worst. It may be a good camera to some, but the film loading!! --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list