----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruben" <ruben@xxxxxxxxx> To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 4:42 PM Subject: [rollei_list] Re: OT - Bokken (was: Question on operatingand on screen for Rollei GX and Hood) > Richard > > Is there a reason why you do not se planars faster than > 2,8 and summicrons > faster than 2,0 ? or is a summilux 1,4 just a fast > summicron ? > > I am asking questions here in a field I know nothing about > so please excuse > me if there are faste planars etc. > > best > > Ruben These days the name Planar is used by Zeiss for lenses on medium format cameras. There is no reason it couldn't be put on a lens faster than f/2.8 but Zeiss choses not to do so. The five element lens is not used for faster lenses than f/2.8 because adding an element makes it easier to correct the lens for faster speeds. At f/2.8 it is superior to a Tessar, and if fact it has some advantages over the Tessar anyway, essential symmetry being one of them. FWIW a symmetrical lens is free of lateral color, coma, and geometrical distortion. While these cancel completely only when the lens is perfectly symmetrical and when the subject and image distances are equal, in other words with the entire optical system is symmetrical, the cancellation is substantial even when the object distance is infinity. By making the lens somewhat asymmetrical by shifting some power from front to rear cell, the degree of cancellation of these aberration can be improved for infinite distances. The generic Planar/Opic/Biotar is a six element lens derived from what is called a Gauss double lens after its inventor, the famous mathematician Carl Friedrich Gauss. Gauss discovered that if a telescope objective was made with two air-spaced meniscus lenses. This arrangement has the advantage that its spherical aberration is constant with wavelength. By mounting two of these lenses back to back around a stop the advantages of symmetry are gained. Paul Rudolph, a genious lens designer (Protar, Tessar, Planar, Plasmat, and others) discovered that if he compounded the inner (negative) elements and made the negative element of the cemented pair thick he could obtain exellent correction for spherical aberration and for chromatic aberration. Rudolph's lens was an f/4.5 lens at which speed it works well. However, in order to raise the speed its helpful to make some changes. These were tried by H.W.Lee who change the design to a somewhat asymmetrical lens and also introduced the use of higher index glasses. The basic six element lens works well at f/2.0 but there are problems with the correction of marginal rays for faster lenses. One way of reducing the effect of these rays is to split one or more the the elements of a lens. The idea is the reduce the maximum angle of incidence of the rays of light with the surfaces of the lens elements. If the bending of the light can be split into stages the angle of the light rays is reduced and the intoduced aberrations reduced with the angle. Various schemes have been tried. Generally, it has been found that splitting front elements helps more than splitting rear elements but both schemes have been used in sucessful lenses. There are a large number of f/2 and faster lenses of the general Planar type with 7 or more elements. It is also possible to increase speed by compounding another lens element. The cemented surface can be useful in reducing certain kinds of spherical aberration, for instance. Its also possible to introduce elements which are not split or compounded from the original. For instance, the Leitz Summilux, an f/1.4 lens, is, essentially, a six element Opic with the addition of a thin positive meniscus lens. I don't know exactly the purpose of the lens but I have not read the patent which might explain (USP 2.975,673). Double Gauss lenses of the four element air spaced type were widely used for medium wide angle lenses. An outstanding example of this is the Kodak Wide Field Ektar. Lenses of this type have coverage approaching 90 degrees but not larger. Kodak called their lens a Wide Field lens to distinguish it from a true wide angle lens, which is generally considered to have more than 90 degree coverage. These were f/6.3 lenses. I should point out that the earliest successful designs of faster than f/2 were the Ernostar and the later Sonnar of Ludwig Bertele. These were compounded Triplet lenses. While they share some problems with the Triplet type they have the advantage of having relativly few glass-air surfaces and hense low flare. The f/1.5 Sonnar for the Zeiss Contax camera has seven elements but only six glass-air surfaces. The f/2 Biotar/Opic has eight glass-air surfaces and some modern fast lenses of this type even more. Since flare goes up fast with the number of surfaces the difference between six and eight is significant for an uncoated lens. Probably eight surfaces is the maximum number that can be tollerated in a general purpose lens that is uncoated. One of the most important changes in lens design over the last century is the development of effective, rugged, and low cost lens coating. This makes it possible to use glass-air surfaces in lenses practically without restriction, greatly expanding the lens designer's choices in design. --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list