[rollei_list] Re: OT Ancient Computers (was Re: Re: Rollei -Singapore) now analogue versus digital

  • From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:35:07 +0000

I shot Velvia, Provia and Astia in my film camera days. All obviously have an engineered colour balance to suit their particular customer. This can easily be lost when scanning if one is not careful.

Frank


On 12 Jan, 2009, at 20:22, Carlos Manuel Freaza wrote:

According my info, C-41 and E-6 processes labs are still distributed in the States widely, and according my experience, a well scanned film can reflect in the digital file its personality, f.e.I can see it scanning an Astia slide or a Velvia slide; monitor screens are not favorable for digitallized film images in general, however they work very well for other means.-

Carlos


--- El lun 12-ene-09, Robert Lilley <54moggie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:

De: Robert Lilley <54moggie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Asunto: [rollei_list] Re: OT Ancient Computers (was Re: Re: Rollei - Singapore) now analogue versus digital
Para: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Fecha: lunes, 12 de enero de 2009, 5:05 pm
Who would know?  Every color picture* I see today, both on
and off the computer is a digital representation.  I have
not seen a color print from a wet process in years!

Rob

On Jan 12, 2009, at 2:55 PM, Carlos Manuel Freaza wrote:

Frank, I really can't imagine the way you use your
film cameras to obtain those conclusions.

Films have personality; DSLRs don't. While many
DSLRs let you dial in higher or lower saturation and
contrast, those crude adjustments can't compare to the
richness of film, whether Velvia's crisp, saturated look
or the delicate tonal shoulder of Tri-X. (Black-and-white is
a particular challenge for digital, especially in-camera.)
Film can be manipulated to soak up even more of a
scene's tonal extremes. You can rein in highlights by
"pulling," or shortening, the development of
b&w film. You compensate for this by adding exposure
when shooting, improving shadow detail. You can overexpose
color negative film by as much as four stops to increase
shadow detail and reduce contrast, without damaging
highlight nuances.

Some super-duper digital backs claim to match or
exceed the range captured by film. If you can afford them,
go for it -- and bring along your laptop.

You can sharpen a digital image in software. And with
most DSLRs you must, because images are considerably
softened by anti-aliasing filters that keep their sensors
from recording jagged edges and moiré patterns. Yet if you
overdo your sharpening, the image can take on a
distractingly "crispy" appearance. The sharpness
you get from film is more natural looking.

(Some parts above were taken from a Pop Photo article
by Russell Hart)

Digital is very practical to use for a lot of
situations and well balanced images look very nice in the
monitor screens, but most of them don't show the detail
richness and tones subtleties you can obtain from a neg or
slide for prints, magazines, projection, books etc. and
I'm talking about a 35mm format.

Carlos






--- El lun 12-ene-09, Frank Dernie
<Frank.Dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:

If you shoot large format that can be true.
For medium
format or what used to be called "miniature
format" when I started photography this is
not true.
The only film parameter which has the potential be
better
than digital is -perhaps- resolution, but only
very slow
black and white films in ideal exposure
conditions.
In all other respects digital is superior - in my
experience.
My Rolleiflex 6008i is not capable of producing
colour
pictures to match those from several of my digital
cameras.
35mm has been behind for years.
I am not aware of -anybody- with in depth
experience of
both who would agree with you.
Perhaps I am going to get the first convincing
information
as a result of this email!
best regards,
Frank

I am comparing Velvia, Provia, Kodachrome in
Canon, Leica,
Rollei and Mamiya film cameras (up to 6x7cm) with
digital
from Leica M8, Canon EOS 1Ds mk2 and Nikon D3.
Most recently
I have been trying a Nikon D3x but have not formed
any
conclusions yet since I have not shot with it
enough.




On 12 Jan, 2009, at 16:13, Carlos Manuel Freaza
wrote:

--- El lun 12-ene-09, Frank Dernie
<Frank.Dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:

In all practical ways digital has exceeded
the
capability
of film for some time. Certainly if there
is an
effect which
one wishes to achieve, using a vintage LF
lens for
example,
film may have to be the choice but that
does not
make film
better, just an appropriate choice in some
circumstances.

Film is the best choice when you need the
highest
image quality.-

Carlos



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