[rollei_list] Re: OT: 35mm RF (Voigtlander Bessa)
- From: Peter J Nebergall <iusar4s@xxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:35:52 -0500
There is a lot of excellent Canon glass available in LSM. On my Canon
7s, I keep the 50mm 1.4, 35mm 1.8, 28mm 3,5, and 85mm f2, They also fit
my Vts and my sm Leicas... I've got the Nikon DR 50mm f2 in LSM, the
Russian Biogon 35mm 2.8 ripoff (how an otherwise decent lens can have so
much flare is beyond me!) and a bunch of prewar Leitz glass... All good.
Canon, both bodies and lenses, is a real option to the Cosinas...
Or to be ornery, I might carry 2 or 3 of Miles Upton's rebuilt and
recurtained Exakta XVIIbs -- with real Zeiss Flektogons and Pancolars....
Check out the Canons; they're out there.
P.J. Nebergall
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:05:47 +0200 Thor Legvold <tlegvold@xxxxxxx>
writes:
> Hi Jeffery,
>
> thanks for the tip.
>
> It looks nice. Thinking about it, there are two things that make me
> hesitate. First is that the lens is rather slow. 90% (actually 100%
> as
> long as it's available) of what I shoot in 35mm is K64. Often
> indoors
> (kids, Scandinavian winters, etc). When Kodak kills it and it's gone
>
> for good, I'm not sure what I'll use, if anything. Maybe I'll get an
>
> old Rolleiflex (finally! LOL :-)). Second is that I'm not a one lens
>
> shooter. I like to have 2 or 3 lenses available, like a 35mm, 50mm
> and
> 90mm or thereabouts.
>
> Looking at prices, it appears that I could get a used M4-2 or M4-P
> for
> the same (or less) as a new Bessa R3a or R2S. What am I giving up by
>
> going Leica? Am I going to get gouged when picking up a few fast
> lenses, or can I use Voigtlander or other makes? Is Leica a pain in
> the
> *** to use? I like simple, ergonomic systems, but I don't want to go
>
> backwards just to be different.
>
> Thor
>
>
> On 19 Apr, 2006, at 21:43, Jeffery Smith wrote:
>
> > Thor,
> >
> > A very nice rangefinder that would be good for outdoor photography
> is
> > the Bessa R2S commemorative edition. It is a Nikon-mount
> rangefinder
> > (metered) with a 50/3.5 Heliar (non-collapsible). If you decide
> you
> > want to use it indoors, used Nikon 50/1.4 lenses are pretty
> common.
> > The Heliar is the best performing lens I have ever used.
> Cameraquest
> > sell them, but they are no longer being made. If you are a one
> camera,
> > one lens shooter like HCB, it is a good one provided you can live
> with
> > the slowness of the lens.
> >
> > Jeffery
> >
> >
> > At 11:36 AM 4/19/2006, you wrote:
> >> Jan,
> >>
> >> great news indeed! I hadn't been to the site in about a month,
> this
> >> was not there last I looked. I'll get right over there and start
> >> reading.
> >>
> >> I'm not interested in snobbery, but will pay willingly for real
> >> quality. Is the Voigtlander glass comparable to Nikkor, or Canon,
> or
> >> Zeiss? (I refrain from using the "L" word for fear of starting a
> >> religious conflict). I.e. solid quality? It doesn't have to be
> the
> >> final word (this is after all 35mm), but I don't want to pay a
> >> premium for junk...
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Thor
> >>
> >>
> >> On 19 Apr, 2006, at 20:18, Jan Decher wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thor:
> >>>
> >>> If you check the Cameraquest website
> >>> (http://www.cameraquest.com/voigt_250.htm )you will see that
> both
> >>> the more
> >>> refined R3A and R2A "Bessa's" will soon be out in all manual
> >>> versions as
> >>> R3M and R2M, together with a very nice collapsible "Heliar"
> 2.0/50mm.
> >>>
> >>> I just bought a 1.4/40mm "Nokton" for my bargain restored Leica
> M3,
> >>> while
> >>> my collapsible 2.0/50 Summicron front element is being polished
> and
> >>> recoated by Arax. The 40mm has a wonderful feel! Will have
> first
> >>> results
> >>> on Provia 100 F tomorrow morning. If the new Bessa's are even
> half
> >>> as well
> >>> put together as this lens I am quite tempted to order the R3M as
> a
> >>> metered
> >>> body with the 40 mm frame and maybe even a chrome 2.0/50 Heliar
> to
> >>> replace
> >>> the Summicron.
> >>>
> >>> Who cares if Cosina RF's are not "real" Voigtlaenders or Zeiss
> Ikons!
> >>> Fact
> >>> is, that classic ZI Contaxes are out of production since 1961
> and
> >>> Leicas
> >>> are overpriced new and used (unless you are lucky). Cosina's
> Mr.
> >>> Kobayashi
> >>> is giving RF shooters, who are resisting the digital trend, some
>
> >>> really
> >>> nice affordable RF's and lots of excellent lenses and
> accessories at
> >>> different price levels to choose from. His recent collaboration
>
> >>> with Zeiss
> >>> for ZM and ZF/S lenses is a welcome replacement for the Contax
> G,
> >>> C/Y and N
> >>> systems demise.
> >>>
> >>> I suggested to him to do the same for MF by reviving the classic
> East
> >>> German Praktisix or postwar Exakta 66 with a reliable metal
> shutter,
> >>> precise metering and Zeiss designed lenses in P6 mount. Such a
> new
> >>> 6x6
> >>> camera could gain a good following, with the Contax 645 defunct
> and
> >>> Hasselblad barely hanging on.
> >>>
> >>> So get your Bessa and enjoy shooting. Cartier-Bresson might have
>
> >>> done the
> >>> same had he lived today. I am sure he hated missing all those
> >>> "decisive
> >>> moments" while fiddling with the bottom-loading of his Leica..
> ;-)
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Jan
> >>>
> >>> ====
> >>> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:03:03 +0200
> >>> From: Thor Legvold <tlegvold@xxxxxxx>
> >>> Well,
> >>> thanks again to everyone who helped me learn more last year
> about a
> >>> replacement for my friends Minox GT. They got a Bessa R3a and a
> >>> 40/1.4
> >>> to go with it a while back. I was over at their place recently
> and
> >>> helped them go through it and get to know it - wow what a really
> nice
> >>> camera!....
> >>> Are there any users who can help me weight pro's /cons of
> Voigtlander
> >>> vs. others? I don't want auto everything, or motors, or
> autofocus so
> >>> the Hexar and Contax G2 and such are out. I'm thinking either
> >>> Voigtlander, or vintage (is there a lot of old, nice, available
> and
> >>> cheap stuff to be had?) or possibly Leica if there exists
> something
> >>> reasonably priced that is comparable to the Bessa.
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Thor
> >>>
> >>>
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