Thor They are rather hard to find, at least on the western side of the Great Puddle, but the Kiev 66 projector is a damned fine machine. The older units are about as subtle as a tractor-pull though the later ones are a tad more refined. All have magnificent optics and work well. And all allow both 35mm and 120 projection. The going price on these is around $US 200 though I understand that they are available for far less in the "bweela SSSR". A friend married to an archaeologist found new ones, still in box, going for about $10 a few years back in Kazakhstan when he accompanied his wife to a dig but foolishly failed to purchase the lot. Marc msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx=20 Cha robh b=E0s fir gun ghr=E0s fir!