[rollei_list] Re: Etymologies and other sensitivities
- From: <marvin0@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 7:50:00 +0800
Hello All,
I would like to mention a little bit about P.C and Photography.
I studeid Photography at the University of Derbyshitre, and a few things were
seriuosly frowned upon. When writing or discussing photography we were not
allowed to say taking a photograph and certainly not shoot or taking a shot,as
these terms were considered aggresive and self centered and representative of
an attitude that rendered the individual incapable of producing Art but of only
indulging in self gratification at the expense of the subject etc....
I notice that sometimes people say things on this list like I like to shoot
heads etc..
If one were to carry on the line of political correctness then we would be
aruing about those terms, which I am sure would not get us very far as a
discussion group.
I am happy to get back to discussing photograpy.
>
> From: "Ruben" <ruben@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2005/10/19 Wed PM 11:54:39 HKT
> To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Etymologies and other sensitivities
>
> Thanks Neil ! - Glad you read the same - best Ruben
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Neil Gould" <neil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: <leicauser503@xxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 6:27 PM
> Subject: [rollei_list] Etymologies and other sensitivities
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I was surprised and somewhat shocked after receiving what has to be one of
> > the longest "digests" of the Rollei list ever! Within one collection,
> > discussions ranged from the introduction of sensitivity to the use of a
> > term ("Lynching"), through several wrestling matches over both the usage
> > and basis for feeling offended, to finally an invitation for the offended
> > person to apologize or be booted off of the list for "personal attacks".
> > Perhaps against my better judgement, I feel a need to add my two cents'
> > worth to this matter.
> >
> > Re: Etymologies
> > As most of us know, language is a living, evolutionary thing. In another
> > newsgroup, it was vehemently argued that the term "photography" couldn't
> > be applied to images created with digital cameras because they didn't
> > involve the processes associated with analog photography. As I see it,
> > whether there is any merit to such an argument is fairly moot, because the
> > term *is* used to refer to images made with digital cameras, and it is
> > doubtful that this will change regardless of the etymology of the term
> > "photography".
> >
> > Similarly, the origins of the term "lynching" are pretty much moot, as the
> > usage of that term over the past century or so is largely associated with
> > its application to USian black citizens. Certainly, within a century of
> > usage, there will be few arguments over the application of the term
> > "photography" to digital image making, as in the case of lynching, there
> > may be little or no representation of its orignal meaning. To suggest that
> > a black USian not be sensitive to the term because of its historic roots
> > is patently absurd. So, I add my voice to that of RALaubach and others who
> > suggest that such usages are at least insensitive and impolite, and that
> > claims that such sensitivities are simply based in ignorance is insulting.
> >
> > To Marc:
> > I certainly understand your reaction to a couple of Ruddy's replies, as in
> > some sense they can certainly be considered personal. I am surprised that
> > you are not demanding apologies from those who posted and/or defended the
> > usages that made Ruddy's "blood boil", as he and others were personally
> > offended as well. But, what surprises me most is that none of these posts
> > rise to the vitriol that this list has tolerated in the years of its
> > exsitance, few authors of which have resulted in being "moderated", much
> > less threatened with removal, and certainly not within such a short period
> > of time (all in one day).
> >
> > One advantage of reading the list in digest form is that one can see
> > authors' contributions in a larger context. In reviewing all of Ruddy's
> > posts in this digest, it is clear that by and large he is as civil and as
> > on-topic as any of us. I have to say that your final position with regard
> > to his heated comments in reaction to those few who were basically
> > telliing him that "if he weren't so ignorant he wouldn't be offended"
> > comes off as just another case of "putting the black man in his place".
> > For one who within the same digest encouraged his participation as
> > bringing a fresh perspective to the discussions, I find it disturbing that
> > you would quash that perspective. I sincerely hope that you revise your
> > decision to either include all of those who are being offensive and
> > insulting, or let these relatively few instances (from all parties) blow
> > over on their own.
> >
> > Best regards to all,
> >
> > Neil
> >
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