The fact that some concerns, most notably ALPA, Zeiss Ikon, and Leitz, ignored economic realities does not mean that they still didn't try to keep production costs down. All three of these concerns simply poured money out of every orifice over the last decades of their existence or, in the case of Leitz, until it managed to enter into a series of rather rocky prop-ups. Had ALPA really attempted to produce a camera without "compromise", they never would have cranked out their first production model. Swiss bankers are tighter than you can imagine and the coldness of their hearts would make even a long-term inmate of the Soviet Gulags shiver. Marc msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx=20 Cha robh b=E0s fir gun ghr=E0s fir! However, the first model was not produced during their "heyday" as I initially stated. From the Model 4 until the last 11si was produced I have never seen evidence of compromise in any form, and I can not say that is true with Contax, Rollei, or Leica. Doug