Hi Chat, I assume that the two frames in question were of the same scene. Other than the processing faults discussed elsewhere, I would guess that the muddiness is caused by athmospheric dust & haze on a sunny day. If there has been a long hot spell, humidity and dust levels rise. If there is no wind/breeze, it will just sit there and reduce visibility and obscure the sun*. The sun, usually a 'point' light source becomes a diffused and softer large light source (the whole sky, now made up of reflective particles, as opposed to just the orb of the sun). Because it is all so evenly bright, there is no real contrast (between light & dark) so it looks 'flat' The effect is not really noticable to the human eye because our brains can compensate for it but film will pick up this haze. There is detail in the sea ripples and foreground vegitation (or is that dust too? ;-) ) so I would say that development was probably 'OK'. A UV/haze filter or even a polarising filter may help. There is no middle distance subject on this frame to refer contrast to. * Looking at the index print from a distance, there is a fine rippling effect in the sky, which may be a light 'mackerel' cloud formation signalling the approach of a depression. It does not show up in the lower part of the image so I do not think that it is caused by processing problems. If the previous 10 frames were taken of the same subject a few days before, the athmospheric haze may not have built up at that time, the sun would act as a 'point' light source, the shadows be harsher and so the apparant contrast range would be greater. I hope that these suggestions may shed some light ;-) on the problem. Best wishes John ________________________________ From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of chatanooga@xxxxxxxxx Sent: 08 August 2006 23:30 To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [rollei_list] Dev or Camera prob? Hi Listers Wonder would you have any forensic thoughts on a rather perplexing image I recently made with my rollei? I've attached the scan here http://www.rollei-gallery.net/chatanooga/image-95531.html - . Okay, I got dust problems and you can also see some strange white trace marks. This was my first time using photoflo and I attribute these marks to be drying stains from an overzealous application of it. However my main concern is the general 'muddiness/darkness/crappiness' of the pic. The image is supposed to be a seascape on a bright sunny day.....but ended up looking like a monsoon. Whats intriguing is that only this frame (#12) and its predecessor were like this; all the others were absolutely fine. The 2 shots were taken together after an interval of no more than a few days from the first 10 pics. Film was panF 50 + rodinal developed in a patterson plastic tank. This is a combination I've stuck to since starting my own development and up to now it has been fine. rgds Chat