[rollei_list] Re: Cooke Amotal and Fair-Trade Laws

  • From: FRANK DERNIE <frank.dernie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:17:42 +0100 (BST)

Reed

--- Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Peter,
> 
> No, they were f2/ 2 inch lenses on the Reid  (is it
> pronounced 'reed' or
> 'ride'?)
> 
> Jerry
> 
> Peter J Nebergall wrote:
> 
> > Its a coated Amotal, f1.4.  Looks so much like the
> coated 1.4 Nikon in
> > Leica Screw that I wonder if Cooke lenses were the
> basis for the
> > Nikons.....
> >
> > PJ Nebergall
> >
> > I saw a guidebook with a Reid, said it was sold
> with a CTH f2.2 as
> > standard....
> >
> > On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 18:08:01 -0400 Marc James
> Small
> > <msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
> > > At 09:34 AM 9/8/05 -0500, Peter J Nebergall
> wrote:
> > > >T&H lenses had some relation to Cooke.  I have
> a Cooke Amotal in
> > > Leitz
> > > >screw.. that I suppose was once on a reid.
> > >
> > > I doubt that any LTM Cooke Amotal ever graced a
> Reid save in some
> > > sort of
> > > fit of absentmindedness.
> > >
> > > The Taylor, Taylor and Hobson f/2 2"Amotal was
> the standard lens on
> > > the
> > > abortive Bell & Howell Foton camera.  When B&H
> pulled the plug, they
> > > had a
> > > stock of lenses on hand and promptly marketed
> them to some New York
> > > house,
> > > quite possibly Peerless, who shpped the lenses
> overseas to be fitted
> > > into
> > > mounts for regular 35mm cameras.  The actual
> conversion was
> > > performed in
> > > Italy.  This would have been around 1953.
> > >
> > > The US Fair Trade Laws of the era allowed the
> manufacturer to set
> > > the sales
> > > price on its products so long as they were sold
> with only
> > > factory-produced
> > > items.  Thus, Leitz could dictate the sales
> price on, say, a IIIf
> > > camera if
> > > it were sold with a Leitz Elmar or Summitar
> lens.  However, the
> > > manufacturer lost this power if the item was
> sold with an
> > > aftermarket
> > > addition, so a discount house could dig deep if
> it could sell a
> > > Leica
> > > camera body with an aftermarket lens.  (I
> suspect that the garage
> > > industry
> > > which produced the 1.5/5.8 "Leica Sonnar" and
> "Sonnarex" lenses in
> > > the
> > > later 1940's was an effort to work into this
> marekt but it was
> > > quashed for
> > > reasons which still remain murky.  Perhaps the
> Gehlendienst had
> > > something
> > > to do with it!)
> > >
> > > In the end, a number of these excellent lenses
> were fitted into
> > > exceedingly
> > > crude LTM mounts and were sold by the discount
> houses in New York
> > > and other
> > > major US cities.  Much rarer are those in Contax
> RF BM, though these
> > > do
> > > exist as well.
> > >
> > > The lens is a really solid performer and the
> glass elements were
> > > made in
> > > the UK but the lens is really a combination of
> American greed and
> > > Italian
> > > ingenuity.
> > >
> > > You might wish to consult your copy of that
> magnificent and
> > > magisterial
> > > tome, NON-LEITZ LEICA THREADMOUNT LENSES:   A
> 39mm DIVERSITY,
> > > published by
> > > Wittig in Germany and drafted by one <ah-HEM>
> Marc James Small,
> > > where this
> > > lens is discussed in detail.
> > >
> > > The Reid lenses are discussed there, as well,
> and are also covered
> > > in
> > > detail in Hans P Rajner's LEICA COPIES work.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > > msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
> > >
> > > NEW FAX NUMBER:  +540-343-8505
> > >
> > >
> > >
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