I've been making Ciba prints for decades. The current chemistry and material is totally easy and dirt simple. Many of my colleagues print color neg (RA4) in my darkroom and I can tell you from hands-on experience, Ciba is head & shoulders easier to use/print than RA4 products. Jim--- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list