[rollei_list] Re: B&W film developing

  • From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 12 May 2014 11:16:56 -0700


----- Original Message ----- From: "Thor Legvold" <tlegvold@xxxxxx> To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <rolleiusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [rollei_list] B&W film developing


Quick question for the people here on the list(s).

I’m working on getting my exposure and developmen dialed in, and have read some conflicting info.

"Expose for shadows, develop for highlights" seems to be the mantra.

This has already been discussed pretty fully but I will add something. The characteristics of film were investigated very thoroughly about eighty years ago by Loyd A. Jones of Kodak Labs. He wrote several papers most of which were published in the _Journal of the Franklin Institute_ at the time a well respected peer reviewed journal of the general sciences. Jones and his associates continued to publish research as late as the 1950s. His goal was to discover how film and paper render the tones of the original scene. Jones worked out a method of determining film speed. Speed is simply a way of being able to calculate the correct exposure when the brightness range of the scene is known and the transmission of light through the camera optical system is known. Jones investigated both the effects of varying the exposure and varying the development. What he found was that for a given development, that is when the film was processed to a specified mid-density gamma, and printed, there was a minimum exposure that would result in an "excellent" print. When the exposure was less the print quality was judged inferior, but once that minimum exposure was given a further increase in exposure had little effect on print quality over a very wide range, many stops. Jones chose a speed point near the minimum because the apparent grain was least and sharpness greatest with minimum densities. Jones speed point was such as to put the densities representing the minimum shadow that was to have any detail on the toe of the film curve where the gamma was about one third of the "straight line" gamma. Kodak used this system internally as "Kodak Speeds" for some time. It was adopted with some changes, by the ASA about 1943. One problem was that the ASA decided that since under exposure was a greater problem than overexposure they would add a one stop safety factor so published ASA speeds were about half the speed measured using Jones method. Another problem was that measuring speed by Jones method was difficult because it was based on the gamma at two points on the film curve. About the mid 1950s these problems led to a change by the ASA to the second DIN system along with a couple of changes to it. The DIN system measured a fixed density point. After considerable research the ASA determined that when this speed was multiplied by a small factor the result was nearly always identical to the Jones speed but much easier to measure. The ASA adopted this new method plus they dropped the safety factor. The result is that all film speeds doubled overnight and a lot of "magic" developers that guaranteed to increase film speed disappeared. The point of all this is that precise exposure is not important for negative film provided its not to little. Kodak adopted a system that is in some ways opposite of the Zone system. What Kodak recommended was to expose to get the information on the film and develop for a desired gamma or contrast index, then adjust the contrast of the image by choice of paper grade. Adams and Minor White worked out the Zone system to insure adequate exposure after experiences with badly exposed negatives that proved difficult to print. I doubt if they were aware of the work of Jones, et.al. at Kodak. One can work either way but there are some caveats: one has to with the way the eye perceives images; we expect a certain contrast in the mid-tones and tend to judge overall images based on that. If you make an image low in contrast in order to accommodate a wide brightness range in the original image it may look flat and unnatural, the same with increasing the contrast of a low-contrast image. I think one has to try to get the mid-grays right and then, if the highlights do not reproduce correctly use traditional methods of burning and dodging, either by hand or with a mask, to get them right. The real limit is in the range of any reflection print that is viewed by ambient light. At the widest, with glossy paper, this range is very substantially less than can be recorded in a negative and generally less than that in most original scenes. There really is no cure for this other than manipulating the densities on the print during printing to give the illusion of a full range of brightness. Transparencies do not suffer so much from this because they are generally illuminated in a way that can produce highlight brightness well in excess of ambient lighting. Some additional notes: effective film speed is dependent on development. The speed varies with the gamma to which the film is developed and to some degree with the chemical nature of the developer. The total range of variation with different types of standard developer are about one stop either way from a reference developer like D-76. The ISO standard includes a chart to calculate the difference in film speed when the degree of development is varied. The standard specifies a brightness range for exposure and a resulting density range. It does not specify a gamma directly but does so indirectly through the above specification. One reason for this is that many films do not have linear density vs; exposure curves. The effective contrast produced by the ISO speed method is about the right contrast for contact printing or enlarging with a diffuse light source. Printing using a condenser source may require either lower contrast negatives or lower contrast paper. I am not sure what effect, if any this has for scanning. Of course, the Zone system also takes into account the change in effective film speed with variations in development to affect contrast.


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Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles
WB6KBL
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