[rollei_list] Re: An ebay explanation

  • From: "Jeff Kelley" <thocker@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:20:10 -0700

Eric, the following is from www.westonmaster.com:

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Note: There's a booklet around 'Weston Ratings' (1964)
In here are all common films (Still-Plates -Cine) Most of them are not available anymore..
In short: Models- Master V, Master IV, Universal III and all cine models
Sangamo/Weston Source - Use the film speed rating recommended by the Film manufacturer. OR -Cine Models only - the next lower rating is recommended. Ensure that the ASA or Din rating is set in the appropriate window of your Master V
Regarding the Models Weston Master II universal and earlier...
Use the next lower rating to the B.S or ASA arithmetical index recommended by the manufacturer.
Author's note:
It all had to do with the safety factors build in the Manufacturer's Film Speeds
The best you can do is to determine your own settings (E.I)
These are based on your personal equipment and your developing methods...
Hope this will do and will clear the air and stop gossip and myths about special conversion tables.
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I agree modern meters are usually more accurate but often it seems that part of the problem with a Weston Master type meter is user technique. If you hold the meter at the wrong angle and get too much sky in the reading, you'll underexpose, for instance. With practice, they work well, especially for negative films.

Of course, all this assumes your meter is within spec. and many of the 50+ year old selenium meters ain't even close....

Jeff

From: "Eric Goldstein" <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: An ebay explanation
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:04:07 -0400

Modern emulsions not withstanding, you would not want to be more than
1/3-1/2 stop off shooting slide film...

I would avoid classic selenium meters if you want accuracy.
Nostalgia... that is another matter...


Eric Goldstein

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On 3/19/07, Jeff Kelley <thocker@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

http://www.westonmaster.com

The above link has more info than you'll probably want to know about the
Weston meters.

I have a Weston III circa 1956 that tests OK according to the methods on
that site and it matches the readings I get from a DSLR as well.

These meters are small and work fine in most situations...plus you never
have to worry about a battery running down.

Richard, the Weston III I have does not seem to have to be corrected nearly
as much as you suggest.  The guy on the site linked above, in fact, states
that with modern films, you can pretty much ignore the old advice about
correcting for the way the Weston reads light vs. today's meters.
I've found it true with the Weston III I own, but have no experience with
any other Weston meters.

Jeff


>   I checked this again. The Weston speeds should be about 80% of ISO
>speeds, i.e., set the meter for Weston 80 for the equivalent of ISO-100.
>However, when comparing the exposure indicated to ISO meters I found that >this speed is high and Weston 64 is more nearly correct. I am not sure why. >I get the same thing if I set the meter for 80 and use the "C" pointer for >the reading. Older Weston meters had five indicators on the calculator, U
>for underexposure, A for shadows, just the pointer for the middle, C for
>highlights with detail and O for overexposure. Color transparencies were
>supposed to fit into the A to C range, about 2 stops.
> I don't remember the details of how Weston measured speed but I think I >have an old text which explains it. The Weston speed system was one of the
>first to be designed for practical photography rather than emulsion
>research. In addition, Weston made all the measurements, so there was no
>temptation for film makers to exagerate the speed of their products. I will >have to find details of the system to see if there was some sort of fudge
>factor there.
>    The Weston meter has a very large acceptance angle so one must be
>careful of skylight when making measurements. A good comparison can be done >using a large white card, say a matte board, and comparing the meter with >one set up for ISO speeds. I will do this again later today and report on
>what I find.
>    I am just back from work and a litte fried so more later.
>
>---
>Richard Knoppow
>Los Angeles, CA, USA
>dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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