[rollei_list] Re: AW: Re: For Sale: Rolleiflex 3.5F Zeiss Planar 12/24, 6-element 'late-model' 97.5% Mint

  • From: Thor Legvold <tlegvold@xxxxxx>
  • To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 22:38:33 +0200

I’m still waiting to hear the asking price…

On 25 Apr 2015, at 22:00, Evan Dong (Redacted sender "ejdong@xxxxxxxxx" for
DMARC) <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Bill,

I was NOT calling you dishonest. I like the way you explain each camera. I
had many incidents buying such cameras form others that DID not describe them
or "forgot" to mention it.

Its very good with your description in hands when it goes out to my
repairman. Every repairmen I used stated that its up to what they see hidden
inside, as I'm clearly not an expert. I praise both Brad and you. I would
definitely buy form other one of you.

If my explanation came across the wrong, I apology as I was NOT mocking you.
I wish every deal I ever had was worded the same as both of you did. It was
not my intend to insult you or mock you.

Evan





On Saturday, April 25, 2015 3:52 PM, william schillereff
<pastorbill6@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


Well, that is the first time I have been called dishonest. It sounds more to
me that it's a question of your not wanting to outlay any cash with any
degree of failure and what you purchase. My description was accurate as a
non-technician can be. Flexes have this problem as they age that the lower
speeds become slow and a technician doesn't need to tell you that. I said the
camera takes pictures except the lower speeds are slow.

In the future if you want to criticize my ad reply to me personally not
online. I suggest you not buy this camera, would be unfortunate if you
actually came out happy.

Bill

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 25, 2015, at 4:54 AM, Evan Dong <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Personally I appreciate the detail description provided by Brad. Thank You
for the "Shameless Sales Pitch".

William, as a Part-Time Minister I will hold you to the extend of the
wording as being "Truth in wording!" Those description are exactly I want
when buying a camera that has been reveal as requiring a good CLA and "COULD
BE A FINE CAMERA". Like several technicians whom I use, until the camera is
open, allow room only for "Let me see what's going on inside your camera".
BUT, true to those words (I had experience it HONESTLY several times; 8 out
10) those Eight Times I heard similar phrase, was true to its words. Those
cameras were the best of the lot!


Personally I would like to see the price. The price will reflect the
associated work and condition (Of course a visual photo will help sell it!)
as attested by the seller. I would not find any issues here by any of the
members when selling their cameras. Only the availability of FUNDS AND THE
NEED FOR IT WILL BEST DETERMINE, if its coming home with me!

Thank you to all for a fine education on the art of selling & listing.

Evan





On Friday, April 24, 2015 10:23 PM, tom rogers <jtomrogers@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


Ask Dirk; he seems to have an issue about discussing prices.

This thread was originally a for sale ad that morphed into a general
discussion regarding the demise of Rollei and it's effect on the used market
-
prompted in part by yesterday's posted ads following on the heels of the
auction.
I cited an example of recent prices - Dirk chimed in
I responded - end of story

Apologies to OP for hijacking his thread - somebody buy his camera.


From: pastorbill6@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: AW: Re: For Sale: Rolleiflex 3.5F Zeiss Planar
12/24, 6-element 'late-model' 97.5% Mint
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 18:29:59 -0700
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

I have been on the list so long mold covers me. Listing prices has never a
problem in the past. Why should it be now?



On Apr 24, 2015, at 3:27 PM, tom rogers <jtomrogers@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

eBay pricing didn't trigger the discussion; posts to this lists with prices
did.
I would suggest sellers not post prices - interested parties can contact
off-list for info.

As to a Digi-Baby (Zuckerbaby?)
Why that form factor in particular?

What sensor size - 35mm full frame w. a 75 or 80 lens a-la Rolleikin? or
something between 35 & 6x6?
Sensor cost and electronics are the $$$ components - not sure if it could be
done for $2k

thoughts?


From: Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] AW: Re: For Sale: Rolleiflex 3.5F Zeiss Planar 12/24,
6-element 'late-model' 97.5% Mint
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 21:36:51 +0000

Let's talk about to continue the legend of Rolleiflex and not to discuss
pricing at Ebay.

So, what I would like to have would be a Baby Rolleiflex with a high
quality digital sensor.
I would spend $ 2000 for it if the quality would be Made in Germany and
the sensor would be decent.


Dirk


Dirk-Roger Schmitt



Von: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von tom rogers
Gesendet: Freitag, 24. April 2015 09:47
An: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Betreff: [rollei_list] Re: For Sale: Rolleiflex 3.5F Zeiss Planar 12/24,
6-element 'late-model' 97.5% Mint

David,

I like your logic, but hard to say - sellers will probably try the greater
fool theory for a while - as evidenced here and elsewhere:
But examples priced at what can politely be termed "optimistic" levels may
be waiting a while for buyers:
2.8F White Faces have been getting less than their reputed market value of
late - dropping by as much as $1000 from where dealers and others priced
them.
From: dsadowski@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 02:19:54 -0500
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: For Sale: Rolleiflex 3.5F Zeiss Planar 12/24,
6-element 'late-model' 97.5% Mint
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
The used Rollei equipment market has functioned more or less independently
from the new market for a long time now, since the prices of new ones were
so far out of whack with the old ones.
Used prices are based on supply and demand, and it's just as likely that
more people will sell their Rolleis now that they are "orphans" than other
people will want to buy them. There are just as many 2.8s and 3.5s and Ts
around as there were last week before the auction-- and maybe more of them
will be put on sale by people who are now discouraged. Meanwhile, there may
be fewer buyers because some people will be worried about the continued
availability of parts and service.
You also have the gradual, continued shift to digital working against the
idea of prices going up.
I would actually be surprised if the prices of used Rolleis did go up rather
than staying more or less flat. The guy who would spend $2000 on a used
Rollei probably wasn't going to spend $5000 on a new one anyway.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:45 AM, william schillereff
<pastorbill6@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Nope, I am getting old and work far to hard and simplifying my life. I
think Rollei will go up up in price. I have loved mine. Presently I
photograph 35 in parks and graveyards and such. Much lighter gear and
shorter trips.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 23, 2015, at 9:40 PM, David Sadowski <dsadowski@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Are people being influenced to sell their Rolleis simply because new Rolleis
may not be made any longer?
That's like saying you should sell your Packard or DeSoto because they
stopped making them years ago. Somehow people manage to keep them running.
Same with Deardorffs...

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:58 PM, william schillereff
<pastorbill6@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I am selling the following:
Rolleiflex FX 2.8 planar 80mm. The chocolate leather. Comes with box and
papers including manual. Is in excellent condition. I have put about five
rolls of film through it with great results. Seeking 3200.00. Have the Metz
hammer with cable and adaptor for the trough the lens metering strobe. Price
can be negotiated.

Rolleiflex T. Early model with Tessar lens. Worked well for and is
cosmetically very good

Rolleiflex 3.5f XENOTAR looks good, meter works. Slow shutter on low end.
needs CLR. COULD BE A FINE CAMERA.

Rolleicord Va works. Looks nice and takes fine images.

Have two eye level prisms in fair condition a pan head and some odds and
ends. Will consider a price for the lot. I have retired to part time
ministry and need more room in the place.

William Schillereff

Reply be email and I can share my phone number





On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Brad Herman <bherman@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Yeah, the "trust-me" part is for the need for a good CLA.

The price is $1999.99 'net to me', for forum members or you guys - shipped
within the USA

It is listed on the auction site (for a bit more to cove the fees), but
please check out my feedback under ID (hermab).

It is also listed on the Rangefinder Forum:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost-classifieds/showproduct.php/produc
t/46805/title/rolleiflex-35f-zeiss-planar-12-2f24-2c-6-element-27late-model-
27-975-25-mint-2c-leather-case-2c-full-cla-2c-gorgeous/cat/4

This is a really fine piece.

Brad

-----Original Message-----
From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Goldstein
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:28 PM
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: For Sale: Rolleiflex 3.5F Zeiss Planar 12/24,
6-element 'late-model' 97.5% Mint

As soon as I hear a seller say "trust me," that's all I need to know

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 9:23 PM, Shannon Hong <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Tell them the price son. Tell them the price.

________________________________
From: bherman@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] For Sale: Rolleiflex 3.5F Zeiss Planar 12/24,
6-element 'late-model' 97.5% Mint
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 21:19:38 -0400


You don't need an auction to own one of the nicest Rolleiflex 3.5F's
available!

I have for sale a gorgeous Rolleiflex 3.5F 12/24 (120/220) 'Late
Model' Type
4 with the 75mm F/3.5 Zeiss Planar 6-Element Lens complete with
fantastic Rolleiflex Leather Case, Strap, Caps, incident meter diffuser
and manual.
The screen is the Rolleiflex Grid and Magnified Microprism Center. The
camera is approx. from the 1969-1973 time-frame, and from the looks of
it, hardly used.

The serial number for the camera is: 283xxxx. There are a few faint
marks on tripod mounting plate, and maybe 2-3 almost invisible marks
here and there, but I'm being very picky. The lenses are perfect, the
mirror is perfect, and the waist-level finder is perfect. This camera
is easily 97.5% mint and collector's grade (but *please* use it!!)

The Rolleiflex leather case/strap is also near mint, (98%), and it is
the proper one which has the cutout for the 12/24 switch. I've seen
cases alone in this condition fetch $250.00-$350.00 or more, and an
additional $75.00+ for the strap. The case also includes the (rare)
Meter Knob Cover, which can sell separately for $100.00 or more. I
have been using and collecting Rolleiflex TLRs for over 30 years, and I've
yet to find one this nice.


Perhaps best of all, the camera has had a full CLA in April 2015 by
Krikor from Krimar photo. The camera got a Shutter Overhaul, Transport
was checked, self-timer, focus and meter checked and/or adjusted. This
cost me $300.00.
He said that the camera was perfect! Trust me, every Rolleiflex, no
matter how pretty or little it's been used, needs some sort of CLA or
overhaul to keep it in good working order.

I hate to sell it, but I have two 3.5Fs, and one must go. It will be a
very, very, long time before you find a Rolleiflex 3.5F with case in
this condition. Maybe never?

**Buy the kit on Thursday, 4/23 or Friday, 4/24, and I'll include a
99.9% like-new Rollei Bay 2 shade in the box ($149.99 value) and a
ProPack
(5-Rolls) freshly frozen and future-dated Kodak Professional Portra
160 Color Negative Film (220 Roll Film) - $72.95 value**

So, you'll be getting the entire kit, all in collector's grade
condition, with a full CLA, ready to go for another 40-50 years! This
is a great deal on a mint Rolleiflex 3.5F 12/24 (120/220) 'Late Model'
Type 4 with the 75mm
F/3.5 Zeiss Planar 6-Element Lens, case, caps, strap and manual!

*Photos available upon request*

**I also have more caps, filters and Rolleifix QR Adapters**, Just ask
about
them**

Accepting PayPal, no fees.



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