[rollei_list] Re: AW: Re: Digi-Baby

  • From: Shannon Hong <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 11:46:26 +1000

Tom - found the original Pentax Patent with Pics.
http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?Docid=D0421268&homeurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpatft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO1%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526d%3DPALL%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsrchnum.htm%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526s1%3DD421268.PN.%2526OS%3DPN%2FD421268%2526RS%3DPN%2FD421268&PageNum=&Rtype=&SectionNum=&idkey=NONE&Input=View+first+page


From: triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: AW: Re: Digi-Baby
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 11:37:04 +1000




There was a sketch of it online but it has been more than 10 years (circa
2002/3) so I don't know if someone is still hosting it.By the looks of it, it
was strategic patenting as nothing came of it.

From: jtomrogers@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: AW: Re: Digi-Baby
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 18:33:47 -0700




Interesting - a quick search didn't return anything - would like to see the
specs on that - any info available?
Do you know if they were serious, or just doing some strategic patenting?

From: triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: AW: Re: Digi-Baby
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 11:29:51 +1000




Pentax submitted a patent for a digital TLR about 10 years ago but it never
went anywhere.


From: jtomrogers@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: AW: Re: Digi-Baby
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 18:28:05 -0700




Sorry, missed this:

A digi-back Baby would indeed be handsome: are you suggesting a comparable
sensor size and updated optics?
If that could be achieved at the price you mentioned, that could be a winner
for TLR fans.

From: Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] AW: Re: Topic of discussion
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 06:50:14 +0000









Baby szie would be very handsome, would it?




Dirk-Roger Schmitt



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Von: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Im Auftrag von tom rogers

Gesendet: Samstag, 25. April 2015 08:38

An: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Betreff: [rollei_list] Re: Topic of discussion




Duly noted - apologies for misunderstanding



Now then - about your Digital Baby Rollei idea - what specs for sensor and
lens? Why Baby?




From: Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx

To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: [rollei_list] Topic of discussion

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 06:33:32 +0000

Do not misundersand me,
I have no problem to discuss prices.
If an item is offered, I feel there should be given also the price for it and
discussed.

I had the problem that currently we were discussing the sadness of knowing that
all Rollei tooling, including the 80 years old, was taken away as scrap, the
factory building completely made empty.



Dirk-Roger Schmitt



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Von: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Im Auftrag von tom rogers

Gesendet: Samstag, 25. April 2015 04:23

An: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Betreff: [rollei_list] Re: AW: Re: For Sale: Rolleiflex 3.5F Zeiss Planar
12/24, 6-element 'late-model' 97.5% Mint




Ask Dirk; he seems to have an issue about discussing prices.



This thread was originally a for sale ad that morphed into a general discussion
regarding the demise of Rollei and it's effect on the used market -


prompted in part by yesterday's posted ads following on the heels of the
auction.

I cited an example of recent prices - Dirk chimed in

I responded - end of story



Apologies to OP for hijacking his thread - somebody buy his camera.




From: pastorbill6@xxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: [rollei_list] Re: AW: Re: For Sale: Rolleiflex 3.5F Zeiss Planar
12/24, 6-element 'late-model' 97.5% Mint

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 18:29:59 -0700

To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

I have been on the list so long mold covers me. Listing prices has never a
problem in the past. Why should it be now?




On Apr 24, 2015, at 3:27 PM, tom rogers <jtomrogers@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:




eBay pricing didn't trigger the discussion; posts to this lists with prices did.

I would suggest sellers not post prices - interested parties can contact
off-list for info.



As to a Digi-Baby (Zuckerbaby?)

Why that form factor in particular?



What sensor size - 35mm full frame w. a 75 or 80 lens a-la Rolleikin? or
something between 35 & 6x6?

Sensor cost and electronics are the $$$ components - not sure if it could be
done for $2k



thoughts?




From:
Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx

To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: [rollei_list] AW: Re: For Sale: Rolleiflex 3.5F Zeiss Planar 12/24,
6-element 'late-model' 97.5% Mint

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 21:36:51 +0000

Let's talk about to continue the legend of Rolleiflex and not to discuss
pricing at Ebay.

So, what I would like to have would be a Baby Rolleiflex with a high quality
digital sensor.
I would spend $ 2000 for it if the quality would be Made in Germany and the
sensor would be decent.


Dirk




Dirk-Roger Schmitt




Von:
rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Im Auftrag von tom rogers

Gesendet: Freitag, 24. April 2015 09:47

An: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Betreff: [rollei_list] Re: For Sale: Rolleiflex 3.5F Zeiss Planar 12/24,
6-element 'late-model' 97.5% Mint




David,



I like your logic, but hard to say - sellers will probably try the greater fool
theory for a while - as evidenced here and elsewhere:

But examples priced at what can politely be termed "optimistic" levels may be
waiting a while for buyers:

2.8F White Faces have been getting less than their reputed market value of late
- dropping by as much as $1000 from where dealers and others priced them.




From:
dsadowski@xxxxxxxxx

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 02:19:54 -0500

Subject: [rollei_list] Re: For Sale: Rolleiflex 3.5F Zeiss Planar 12/24,
6-element 'late-model' 97.5% Mint

To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx




The used Rollei equipment market has functioned more or less independently from
the new market for a long time now, since the prices of new ones were so far
out of whack with the old ones.

Used prices are based on supply and demand, and it's just as likely that more
people will sell their Rolleis now that they are "orphans" than other people
will want to buy them. There are
just as many 2.8s and 3.5s and Ts around as there were last week before the
auction-- and maybe more of them will be put on sale by people who are now
discouraged. Meanwhile, there may be fewer buyers because some people will be
worried about the continued
availability of parts and service.

You also have the gradual, continued shift to digital working against the idea
of prices going up.

I would actually be surprised if the prices of used Rolleis did go up rather
than staying more or less flat. The guy who would spend $2000 on a used Rollei
probably wasn't going to spend
$5000 on a new one anyway.




On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:45 AM, william schillereff <pastorbill6@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


Nope, I am getting old and work far to hard and simplifying my life. I think
Rollei will go up up in price. I have loved mine. Presently I photograph 35 in
parks and graveyards and such.
Much lighter gear and shorter trips.



Sent from my iPhone






On Apr 23, 2015, at 9:40 PM, David Sadowski <dsadowski@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:






Are people being influenced to sell their Rolleis simply because new Rolleis
may not be made any longer?

That's like saying you should sell your Packard or DeSoto because they stopped
making them years ago. Somehow people manage to keep them running.

Same with Deardorffs...




On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 10:58 PM, william schillereff <pastorbill6@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I am selling the following:

Rolleiflex FX 2.8 planar 80mm. The chocolate leather. Comes with box and papers
including manual. Is in excellent condition. I have put about five rolls of
film through it with great results. Seeking 3200.00. Have the Metz hammer with
cable and adaptor for
the trough the lens metering strobe. Price can be negotiated.



Rolleiflex T. Early model with Tessar lens. Worked well for and is cosmetically
very good



Rolleiflex 3.5f XENOTAR looks good, meter works. Slow shutter on low end. needs
CLR. COULD BE A FINE CAMERA.



Rolleicord Va works. Looks nice and takes fine images.



Have two eye level prisms in fair condition a pan head and some odds and ends.
Will consider a price for the lot. I have retired to part time ministry and
need more room in the place.



William Schillereff



Reply be email and I can share my phone number












On Apr 23, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Brad Herman <bherman@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



Yeah, the "trust-me" part is for the need for a good CLA.



The price is $1999.99 'net to me', for forum members or you guys - shipped

within the USA



It is listed on the auction site (for a bit more to cove the fees), but

please check out my feedback under ID (hermab).



It is also listed on the Rangefinder Forum:




http://www.rangefinderforum.com/photopost-classifieds/showproduct.php/produc

t/46805/title/rolleiflex-35f-zeiss-planar-12-2f24-2c-6-element-27late-model-

27-975-25-mint-2c-leather-case-2c-full-cla-2c-gorgeous/cat/4



This is a really fine piece.



Brad



-----Original Message-----

From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

[mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Goldstein

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:28 PM

To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: [rollei_list] Re: For Sale: Rolleiflex 3.5F Zeiss Planar 12/24,

6-element 'late-model' 97.5% Mint



As soon as I hear a seller say "trust me," that's all I need to know



On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 9:23 PM, Shannon Hong <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Tell them the price son. Tell them the price.



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From: bherman@xxxxxxxxxxx

To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Subject: [rollei_list] For Sale: Rolleiflex 3.5F Zeiss Planar 12/24,

6-element 'late-model' 97.5% Mint

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 21:19:38 -0400





You don't need an auction to own one of the nicest Rolleiflex 3.5F's

available!



I have for sale a gorgeous Rolleiflex 3.5F 12/24 (120/220) 'Late

Model' Type

4 with the 75mm F/3.5 Zeiss Planar 6-Element Lens complete with

fantastic Rolleiflex Leather Case, Strap, Caps, incident meter diffuser

and manual.

The screen is the Rolleiflex Grid and Magnified Microprism Center. The

camera is approx. from the 1969-1973 time-frame, and from the looks of

it, hardly used.



The serial number for the camera is: 283xxxx. There are a few faint

marks on tripod mounting plate, and maybe 2-3 almost invisible marks

here and there, but I'm being very picky. The lenses are perfect, the

mirror is perfect, and the waist-level finder is perfect. This camera

is easily 97.5% mint and collector's grade (but *please* use it!!)



The Rolleiflex leather case/strap is also near mint, (98%), and it is

the proper one which has the cutout for the 12/24 switch. I've seen

cases alone in this condition fetch $250.00-$350.00 or more, and an

additional $75.00+ for the strap. The case also includes the (rare)

Meter Knob Cover, which can sell separately for $100.00 or more. I

have been using and collecting Rolleiflex TLRs for over 30 years, and I've

yet to find one this nice.





Perhaps best of all, the camera has had a full CLA in April 2015 by

Krikor from Krimar photo. The camera got a Shutter Overhaul, Transport

was checked, self-timer, focus and meter checked and/or adjusted. This

cost me $300.00.

He said that the camera was perfect! Trust me, every Rolleiflex, no

matter how pretty or little it's been used, needs some sort of CLA or

overhaul to keep it in good working order.



I hate to sell it, but I have two 3.5Fs, and one must go. It will be a

very, very, long time before you find a Rolleiflex 3.5F with case in

this condition. Maybe never?



**Buy the kit on Thursday, 4/23 or Friday, 4/24, and I'll include a

99.9% like-new Rollei Bay 2 shade in the box ($149.99 value) and a

ProPack

(5-Rolls) freshly frozen and future-dated Kodak Professional Portra

160 Color Negative Film (220 Roll Film) - $72.95 value**



So, you'll be getting the entire kit, all in collector's grade

condition, with a full CLA, ready to go for another 40-50 years! This

is a great deal on a mint Rolleiflex 3.5F 12/24 (120/220) 'Late Model'

Type 4 with the 75mm

F/3.5 Zeiss Planar 6-Element Lens, case, caps, strap and manual!



*Photos available upon request*



**I also have more caps, filters and Rolleifix QR Adapters**, Just ask

about

them**



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