Well, not at TLR with digital back!
Let's hope on it.
Dirk-Roger Schmitt
Von: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Im Auftrag von David Sadowski
Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. April 2015 23:07
An: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Betreff: [rollei_list] Re: AW: Re: News from the DHW-Rollei-Insolvency Auction
I don't expect Leica to make TLRs, just letting my imagination run wild. The
TLR is now a dead issue.
On Apr 21, 2015 3:58 PM,
<Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx<mailto:Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx>> wrote:
Von: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
Im Auftrag von David Sadowski
Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. April 2015 22:25
An: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Betreff: [rollei_list] Re: News from the DHW-Rollei-Insolvency Auction
What did you expect? That sounds like a pretty typical auction and a typical
result.
If the auto collimators are really that rare and useful, 300 Euros may still be
a quite reasonable price. And did you think that somehow things were going to
be tested ahead of time, or that the seller would be offering some sort of
warranty or guarantee?
I do not understand what you mean, of course I did not expect anything else. I
was just reporting.
It's liquidation... as-is no warranty... cash and carry, apparently. And
anyone interested in bidding via fax ought to have considered it ahead of time,
and not the day before the auction.
Digital photography has claimed the Rollei TLR as its latest victim. I would
guess that the brand name will still pop up on digital cameras and film made by
other companies.
This it does, but the junk sold under Rollei brand name has nothing to do with
the traditional German optics.
If anyone could have saved the TLR, it would have been Leica, since their film
cameras are sold to much the same market. But it would seem it was of no use
even to them.
How should Leica TLRs, as they do not know how to make them????
Can you imagine a Rolleiflex TLR with Leica optics? That would be a dynamite
combination.
This would be needless. The Zeiss and Schneider lenses on the TLRs are
exceptional. No Leica lens would be better. Even they do not know how to make
them.
This reminds me of what happened to Deardorff many years back. A whole bunch
of used Deardorffs were put onto the used market in the late 1980s, when a
major Chicago-area studio (Kranzten) went out of business.
This was the last straw for Deardorff and they went under. With the price of a
new Rollei being so much more than that of a good used one, is it any wonder
that the market for the new ones has collapsed?
The latest is a correct comment.
Dirk
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 2:54 PM,
<Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx<mailto:Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx>> wrote:
I am just back from the auction.
To say, there was no option to get a good camera or lens.
All lenses and cams were production samples, with wear from testing, and even
it was not known whether they worked. No warranty for working.
Also, all the bids on lots which included cameras or lenses were ridiculously
high. People thought it was the last chance to get a Rolleiflex. But if you
look to EBay,
you find a lot off much more affordable offers. I did not make any bid on any
camera. Would been completely senseless. Anyway, only very few bodies with wear
and no know functionality were offered.
I bought a Zeiss microscope, the measuring collection of Lot 1193 (it looks
like Mr. Heidecke worked himself with it), an original Rollei power supply and
a lot of framed photos.
I was bidding on the 6 auto collimators they sold, but they got out for over
300 Euros each, which was over my limit.
Regards
Dirk
Dirk-Roger Schmitt
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[mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]
Im Auftrag von Thor Legvold
Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. April 2015 17:43
An: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Betreff: [rollei_list] Re: DHW-Rollei-Insolvency Auction
Lots 654, 661 and 1077 all included complete cameras, as far as I can tell. My
German’s pretty rusty though, maybe I misunderstood.
Thor
On 21 Apr 2015, at 13:24,
Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx<mailto:Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx> wrote:
Nobody knows.
Anyway, complete cams and lenses are not on sale.
The stock seems to sold separately.
Dirk
Beste Grüße, Best Regards,
Dirk-Roger Schmitt.
Sent from my mobile phone.
Von: Thor Legvold
Gesendet: 21.04.2015 12:29
An: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Betreff: [rollei_list] Re: DHW-Rollei-Insolvency Auction
I haven’t seen a fax machine in at least 10 years.
Anyway it’s a bit late now. As much as I’d like to get a HY6…
I wonder what will happen to support and service? Will they reform in a new
company, as before, to continue offering Rollei branded equipment and service
existing gear?
Thor
On 21 Apr 2015, at 11:07,
Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx<mailto:Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx> wrote:
You Can bid by fax.
Beste Grüße, Best Regards,
Dirk-Roger Schmitt.
Sent from my mobile phone.
Von: Thor Legvold
Gesendet: 21.04.2015 10:31
An: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Betreff: [rollei_list] Re: DHW-Rollei-Insolvency Auction
I was hoping that it was an online auction and that I could put in a few
bids on some gear I’d like, but it looks like you have to actually be there.
Thor
On 21 Apr 2015, at 09:19,
Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx<mailto:Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx> wrote:
Brett, the price starts at 50. Question is where the bidding ends.
Also the shipping cost to Australia?
Beste Grüße, Best Regards,
Dirk-Roger Schmitt.
Sent from my mobile phone.
Von: Brett Rogers
Gesendet: 21.04.2015 09:11
An: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Betreff: [rollei_list] Re: DHW-Rollei-Insolvency Auction
Dirk,
I understand in order to purchase you actually have to be there. I'd love
an auto collimator myself for the princley sum of 50 EU. If the
collection and transportation of two instead of one would not be a major
inconvenience I'd be most obliged if you could get me one, please. Can
send payment via Paypal immediately. I'd attend myself but it's a fair
trip from Australia...
I'm an infrequent contributor to the list, but well known over at
Rangefinder Forum where I always do my best to help owners with Rollei
queries or problems.
Cheers,
Brett
From: Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx<mailto:Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx>
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [rollei_list] DHW-Rollei-Insolvency Auction
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 20:09:18 +0000
Unfortunately,
I have very bad news.
The Insolvency Sale starts on Tuesday.
http://www.proventura.de//insolvenzversteigerung-des-kameraherstel<http://www.proventura.de/insolvenzversteigerung-des-kameraherstel>
lers-dhw-fototechnik-gmbh-ehem.-franke--heidecke-gmbh-salzdahlumer
-str.-196-38126-braunschweig-finale-liste-online/auction/2669/bild
katalog/seite/19/#bildkatalog
I had a visit today at the factory. EVERYTHING is sold by Tuesday in an
auction. There were a lot of visitors from all over Europe, from Cyprus
to Lithuania, a lot of Rollei enthusiasts.
The auction on Tuesday will blow up the tears. But there is no
alternative.
I met at the factory the former R&D Head of Rollei Fototechnic, and we
had a joint tour.
We saw the drilling and grinding workshop, the optical assembly lines and
final testing lines. All looked as they were left yesterday. A lot of
partly assembled HY6 and TLR could be seen on the assembly lines.
We went to the LARGE cellar of Rollei, like catacombs. There are plenty
of rooms which have never visited for the last 30 years! They are full of
single lenses, lense blankets, parts for TLR, test equipment and so on.
The collection of the last - at least - 30 years which nobody used
anymore.
We visited the shelter, under in the cellar, which was built during
WWII. It is also full of old stuff. All is going out by tomorrow, and
for a lot of valuable items nobody will take care about. They all will be
go to trash.
Personally, I will try to bid for an autocollimator. They still have
plenty of them. They have been built in the 1960s in batches of hundreds
by Rollei directly. They are going out for 50 Euros.
IT IS VERY SAD!
I hoped, there would be somebody found who would take all items in a
batch to continue, but this did not happen.
I take numerous of photos which I will display later on.
Best regards, and God bless some people from former DHW which still want
to continue.
Regards
Dirk
Dirk-Roger Schmitt
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