[rollei_list] Re: 6 x 9 search
- From: aghalide@xxxxxxx
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 14:57:11 +0000
I purchasd my first rollei Rolleicord III with one summer's $135 wages in 1951.
And now own a number of variations. And I thought I am nuts to get a few speed
graphics to adapt for wide-angle. Have a Kenko fisheye add-on one. Now I find
other nuts doing similar stuff. Good feeling that I'm not alone. Ed
-------------- Original message from "Eric Goldstein" <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>:
--------------
> Emmanuel B. and I mentioned the Fuji... there is some dispute relative
> to whether these lenses are great however...
>
> Eric Goldstein
>
> --
>
> On 8/31/07, R.C.Booth wrote:
> >
> >
> > I've been following this thread with interest as I've been playing with
> > wide
> > angle lenses on a 2x3 Century Graphic.
> >
> > But if you can do with a 65mm lens, one ready-made solution is to get a
> > Fuji
> > GW690 in any of the three versions that were made.
> >
> > These are certainly convenient with great lenses and pretty close to an
> > actual 6 x 9 format.
> >
> > RCB
> >
> > http://rcbooth.zenfolio.com/
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mike Bischof
> > To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 12:36 AM
> > Subject: [rollei_list] Re: 6 x 9 search
> >
> >
> > Jan,
> > After all the technical discussions ;-), let me give you some perspectives
> > from a user's point, as I have gone that route in the last couple of years
> > -- and yes, it does lead to LF photography with no shortage of
> > opportunities
> > to blows lots of cash. As a result, my current favorite weapon is an Arca
> > Swiss 4x5 Field camera with a Rodenstock Apo-Sironar S 210, but that's a
> > different discussion :-D
> >
> > Back to the topic at hand. After considerable time with the 6x6 negatives
> > and slides from my Rolleiflex, I wanted to get something with a bigger (and
> > rectangular) negative, so my first choice was a Crown Graphic 23. Here are
> > a
> > couple of notes on that camera (which I still own and love, but which
> > doesn't get a whole lot of use anymore, thanks to the Arca):
> >
> > 1) Relatively cheap and lightweight camera with good (and cheap) access to
> > multiple lenses. I still have the 101mm Ektar and the 80mm WA Ektar, both
> > are great lenses.
> > 2) With the proper sets of infinity stops (and good calibration), neither
> > lens really needs the rangefinder for focusing _landscapes_ since they
> > _will_ be shot at infinity. Of course, other shots will require focusing.
> > 3) For hand-held operations, focusing by groundglass is a PITA, but so is
> > composition. I always used my Crown Graphic tripod-mounted, but it is
> > possible to do handheld as well. For _landscapes_, I think the bigger issue
> > is composition, but if you are only using B&W, where you can crop during
> > printing (rather than slides, where that is less desirable), you could just
> > get the proper masks for the external viewfinder that is attached on top of
> > the (older?) Crown Graphics. They are not as accurate as in an SLR, but you
> > can just make sure that you are capturing the scene in general (also see
> > film flatness issues below).
> > 4) If you do buy a Crown Graphic, make sure you get one with a Graflock, so
> > you can use rollfilm holders. Since you are interested in 6x9, you want the
> > rollfilm holder that generates 8 shots out of a 120 roll (I think it's
> > called RH-8???). There are (at least) two versions, the newer ones have
> > additional rollers to achieve better (but not perfect) film flatness, but
> > as
> > a result, the image is really more like 6x8 (one of mine was as small as
> > 56x72mm). The older ones do not have the rollers, are closer to 6x9, but
> > also have more film flatness issues. My approach was always to compose
> > generously, and then really only use the center 6x7 (or so) for printing.
> > 5) There are wider lenses than the 80mm WA Ektar for 6x9, but they will all
> > require you to "drop the bed" to avoid it showing up in your picture. As a
> > result, IMHO, _handheld_ composition is practically impossible. I had a
> > 65mm
> > Angulon and a 47mm (Super?-) Angulon for a while, but even tripod-mounted
> > it
> > was a PITA, and they never saw enough use (for me) to warrant keeping them.
> >
> > Incidentally, since I wanted to have a _handheld_ camera whenever I can't
> > use my Arca, I got a 6x9 folder about a year ago. Since I didn't want any
> > front-cell focusing camera (due to the well-known image quality issues, all
> > the Zeiss Ikons (unfortunately) were off the list. I ended up getting a
> > Voigtlander Bessa II, which had most of the things I wanted:
> > - good optics. I only got the Color-Skopar (=Tessar) version, but there is
> > a
> > Color-Heliar and even a Apo-Lanthar version. although at _much_ higher
> > prices.
> > - coupled rangefinder
> > - not front-cell focusing -- the whole lens moves when focusing
> > I does have considerable film-flatness issues, but, again, the center
> > potion
> > (about 6x7) is perfect, and the viewfinder isn't terrible accurate for
> > composition anyway.
> >
> > Feel free to contact me offline, if you have more questions.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jan Decher wrote:
> > Eric:
> >
> >
> > Very interested in a portable 6x9 folder, especially in one that can handle
> > a mild wideangle (60mm) so I can do panoramic landscapes on my expeditions.
> > Do you have web links for the Miniature Speed or Busch Pressman? Do they
> > have coupled rangefinders or will I have to resort to groundglas focusing
> > by
> > taking the 6x9 cassette on and off?
> > I guess this is how people gradually slide into LF photography...
> >
> >
> > I picked up the Omega B7 today. It has two focusing tracks for a 50mm
> > Componon and a 3 1/2inch (90mm) Ektar, But only came with a 50mm EL
> > Omegar...
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > On 30 Aug 2007, at 02:28, FreeLists Mailing List Manager wrote:
> >
> > My fav 69 shooters are a miniature Speed and
> > a Busch Pressman, from which I can hang any number of fine lenses. I
> > also think they have the edge over folders relative to film
> > flatness...
> > Eric Goldstein
> >
> >
> >
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