[rollei_list] Re: 2.8 80mm Opton-Tessar
- From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:40:01 +0000 (GMT)
BTW Peter, I think it's clear I'm not interested about
to discuss with you, you are dedicated to attack me
from years ago.
Carlos
--- Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
escribió:
> Yes Peter, you are right and you always have the
> reason. Thank you very much.-
> Carlos
> --- "Peter K." <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx> escribió:
>
> > OK Carlos,
> >
> > You are right Carlos. It can be confusing with all
> > the verbage in these
> > posts. And once again I have confused you. Sorry.
> > Let me do it like this:
> >
> > CARLOS WROTE - "My answer was and is that Rollei
> > used the two 1938 lenses to
> > develop the 1939 2.8 prototype, and Rollei needed
> > the lenses for the camera
> > series production, the 1939 prototype was ready
> for
> > production and that
> > was the reason to buy the lenses on 1939, Rollei
> > needed the lenses but due
> > to the war Rollei couldn't obtain the tooling to
> > manufacture the camera for
> > the
> > market. The 1939 prototype and that Rollei had
> > projected to manufacture the
> > prototype for the market on 1939 are facts, the
> 1939
> > lenses batch bought
> > from Zeiss for this camera production is my
> > conclusion, and according
> > Prochnow the lens was recomputed to meet F&H
> quality
> > needs and then Prochnow
> > has to do too."
> >
> > Peter's REPLY to this statement: This, meaning
> your
> > answer to Marc's comment
> > is speculation! You are drawing your own
> conclusions
> > from circumstantial
> > evidence. Since neither you or anyone else,
> > including Prochnow, was not
> > there during that period it is speculation!
> >
> > Now the second part that I wrote was regarding the
> > order of 5K lenses. Marc
> > noted "Why would F&H order 5,000 lenses which
> didn't
> > meet their needs? I
> > doubt that this was the case."
> >
> > PETER's REPLY: The 1930s in Germany were a very
> > depressed period.
> > Unless F&H had a lot of excess capital I find this
> > ordering 5,000 lenses
> > unusual.
> >
> > This (my reply above) is a general statement
> > concerning the time period. I
> > just find ordering that many lenses during that
> time
> > to be expensive unless
> > it was done on a scheduled purchase and delivery
> > basis.
> >
> > ONE LAST NOTE, Carlos wrote: "You can agree or
> > disagree with Prochnow,
> > however his career in Rollei was like cameras
> design
> > engineer from March
> > 1958 to 1994, and his first contract was approved
> by
> > Reinhold Heidecke after
> > a personal interview, Prochnow has several
> > registered D.B.P patents for his
> > invents and designs like camers designer."
> >
> > Peter's Reply - I hold several patents too. But
> that
> > does not make me an
> > expert in the activities of one of my suppliers.
> > Additionally, something
> > that happened 20 years prior to my employment is
> > pure speculation and
> > subject to the tall tale syndrome. This I liken to
> > Prochnow speculating on
> > what Zeiss did 20+ years before he was an
> apprentice
> > in 1958. The stories
> > are subject to change as the years progress.
> >
> > I hope this clears up your confusion.
> >
> > Peter K
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 11/16/06, Carlos Manuel Freaza
> > <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > Peter, before to write a message, please read
> who
> > > wrote and mentioned the 5,000 lenses for the
> first
> > > time, it's seems you again are not following the
> > > complete thread.-
> > >
> > > All the best
> > > Carlos
> > > --- "Peter K." <peterk727@xxxxxxxxx> escribió:
> > >
> > > > Carlos,
> > > > I think this is more a speculation on your
> part
> > > > rather than a fact. The
> > > > 1930s in Germany were a very depressed period.
> > > > Unless F&H had a lot of
> > > > excess capital I find this ordering 5,000
> lenses
> > > > unusual.
> > > >
> > > > Peter K
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 11/15/06, Carlos Manuel Freaza
> > > > <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Marc, you wrote: "...I have no explanation
> for
> > the
> > > > > existence of the Prewar 2.8/8cm CZJ Tessars
> --
> > > > > the first Rolleiflex batch was of only 2
> > lenses
> > > > > and was completed on 2 FEB 1938; the other
> > > > > Rolleiflex batches date from the first half
> of
> > > > > 1939...." and now you ask "Why would F&H
> > order
> > > > 5,000
> > > > > lenses which didn't meet their needs?"
> > > > >
> > > > > My answer was and is that Rollei used the
> two
> > 1938
> > > > > lenses to develop the 1939 2.8 prototype,
> and
> > > > Rollei
> > > > > needed the lenses for the camera series
> > > > production,
> > > > > the 1939 prototype was ready for production
> > and
> > > > that
> > > > > was the reason to buy the lenses on 1939,
> > Rollei
> > > > > needed the lenses but due to the war Rollei
> > > > couldn't
> > > > > obtain the tooling to manufacture the camera
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > market. The 1939 prototype and that Rollei
> had
> > > > > projected to manufacture the prototype for
> the
> > > > market
> > > > > on 1939 are facts, the 1939 lenses batch
> > bought
> > > > from
> > > > > Zeiss for this camera production is my
> > conclusion,
> > > > > and according Prochnow the lens was
> recomputed
> > to
> > > > meet
> > > > > F&H quality needs and then Prochnow has to
> do
> > > > too.-
> > > > >
> > > > > All the best
> > > > > Carlos
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Marc James Small <
> marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > escribió:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Why would F&H order 5,000 lenses which
> > didn't
> > > > > > meet their needs? I doubt that this was
> the
> > > > > > case. My suggestion -- that F&H found the
> > 1936
> > > > > > tweaking of the 1931 design for Zeiss Ikon
> > > > > > acceptable -- makes sense. F&H was a
> > company
>
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