[rollei_list] Re: 2.8 80mm Opton-Tessar
- From: Marc James Small <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:02:58 -0500
At 09:32 PM 11/15/2006, Carlos Manuel Freaza wrote:
>My answer was and is that Rollei used the two 1938
>lenses to develop the 1939 2.8 prototype, and Rollei
>needed the lenses for the camera series production,
>the 1939 prototype was ready for production and that
>was the reason to buy the lenses on 1939, Rollei
>needed the lenses but due to the war Rollei couldn't
>obtain the tooling to manufacture the camera for the
>market. The 1939 prototype and that Rollei had
>projected to manufacture the prototype for the market
>on 1939 are facts, the 1939 lenses batch bought from
>Zeiss for this camera production is my conclusion,
>and according Prochnow the lens was recomputed to meet
>F&H quality needs and then Prochnow has to do too.-
Dear heavens, Carlos. Synchronize yourself with
the economic realities of the later 1930's. F&H
was a major customer of Carl Zeiss Jena but was
hardly the largest by a long shot: Zeiss Ikon
not only was owned by the same Foundation which
owned Carl Zeiss Jena but also purchased probably
several dozen times or more as many lenses a year
as did F&H. Again, the market will respond to
that elephant sitting on the table and not to the
vagrant tapping on the window for attention. If
there was a redesign of the 2.8/8cm Tessar, it
was done to meet Zeiss Ikon's needs and not in
response to any request from F&H.
Zeiss Ikon by that time was run by Heinz
Küppenbender, soon to move up to head the entire
Zeiss works, a role he held through 1972, and to
head the entire German optical industry during
the War years. (Küppenbender shielded a lot of
Jews and other "undesireables" as "workers vital
to the War Effort": he was slated to be tried by
the Nazis until Speer bailed him out. And, as
no good deed goes unpunished, he was later tried
by the Allies as a Nazi War Criminal, and was
acquitted. Israel, having slavered over
Schindler, has yet to acknowledge the much larger
role Küppenbender played in saving the lives of
Jews. All of this is off the subject, of course.)
In other words, Zeiss Ikon had a fair amount of
clout with Jena in the later 1930's. F&H had
some clout but not a lot, as other camera
companies were buying more lenses than they were at that time.
I do not see F&H having the clout to demand a
SPECIAL run of 2.8/8cm Tessars to their peculiar
specifications, despite the ambiguous language in
Prochnow. Much more probable was that Zeiss Ikon
demanded a tweaking of the design, and that F&H
was then given the opportunity to hop on
board. This is made more probable by the "screw
you, jack" approach Zeiss often made towards
Zeiss Ikon -- they were relatives but not
friends, and while Zeiss HAD to acknowledge the
priority of Zeiss Ikon orders, they did not have to like it.
The world does not revolve around Braunschweig,
pace Prochnow. We all now that it revolves
around Jena and Oberkochen (<he grins> pace Jos.
Schneider!). Seriously, Carl Zeiss Jena was the
main player and Zeiss Ikon was the elephant on
the table. F&H could not demand any sort of
redesign as Prochnow hints happened. F&H might
well have adopted the Ikoflex III lens but that
was a Zeiss Ikon request and not a response to some F&H demand.
If you have some evidence that there is a
difference between the Ikoflex III lens and that
produced for Rollei, let me know. If you are
suggesting that Zeiss Ikon humped along on an
order from F&H, let me see some proof other than
a simple recitation from Prochnow -- and that is
MOST unlikely. I know a lot about the pride of
Zeiss and Zeiss Ikon, and, had F&H insisted on a
separate lens design, Küppenbender certainly
would have insisted on a totally different design for the Ikoflex III.
Again, your entire thesis hangs on proving that
there are differences between the 2.8/8cm Tessars
produced for the Ikoflex III and for F&H. Prove
that, and I will concede your point.
Marc
msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
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