[roc-chat] Re: Separate LPR area at ROCtober
- From: "Robert Bosch. Dago" <dago3331@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: Richard Dicinson <roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 15:12:27 -0700
I motion that Idea, he is so RIGHT!!,.
> Subject: [roc-chat] Re: Separate LPR area at ROCtober
> From: ken@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:00:14 -0700
> To: roc-chat@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Sorry Wedge,
>
> I disagree. It should be the Pad Manager and not the LCO that determines what
> gets launched. RocStock launches are too big for an ad hoc launch order. It
> has been broken for too long to continue on in the same way for large
> launches. Monthly launches can be much more casual as the wait times almost
> can't be too long.
>
> Ken
>
>
> On Jun 26, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Wedge Oldham wrote:
>
> > The LCO and Pad Manager must dance together. One must lead, the other must
> > follow. Really doesn't matter which leads. PM says here launch these
> > next.....or the LCO says give me the East size back row next. What is
> > really important is for one of the two (not none, and not both) to take the
> > lead.
> >
> > Wedge
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:42 AM, David Reese <dareese@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Mon, 25 Jun 2012 02:04:24 -0700, Kenneth Brown <ken@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > I hope that there will be some more ideas on streamlining the launch
> > > process. We can refine as we go along, but not getting something in place
> > > is criminal.
> >
> >
> > This.
> >
> > Wait times have *always* been an issue at ROCStock. Coordination between PM
> > and LCO is the greatest challenge; at RS last month, there was a period
> > when rockets (none of which were mine) had been sitting on the range for
> > upwards of a half hour, and I got peeved enough that I went up, bumped the
> > existing pad manager from their position, and started feeding cards to the
> > LCO. We had the range cleared in <10 minutes.
> >
> > I think the issue here might be one of pad organization. Launches that I've
> > attended with extraordinarily high throughput lay out the range using a
> > bank/pad method (e.g., A1-8 is front row left, B1-8 is front row right,
> > C1-8 is middle row left, D1-8 is middle row right). This seemed to help
> > keep the pad manager's mental process clearer - to launch the right bank,
> > rather than grabbing the cards for pads 9-16 and 25-32, they know to grab
> > all the cards for banks B and D and feed them to the LCO. It also seemed
> > easier for the LCO to remember which banks were closed and open, thus
> > preventing pad helpers from running people out to a bank that's been
> > waiting for a while.
> >
> > On the training issue, this is probably a bit much, but MDRA does videos to
> > help train pad managers and RSOs:
> > http://www.mdrocketry.org/membership/howto/#PMRSO Their process is a little
> > different than ours, but having training aids like this would dramatically
> > help speed up the process, I think.
> >
> > D
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