[realmusicians] Re: windows 7 , any advantage over xp?

  • From: "Phil Muir" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:21:09 -0000

Well spoken to a good friend who tells me that Windows 7 is worth looking
at, even on what would be regarded as low speck machines.



Regards, Phil Muir
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  -----Original Message-----
  From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Roy Shtupler
  Sent: 17 December 2009 17:18
  To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [realmusicians] Re: windows 7 , any advantage over xp?


  totally agree on this; I'm now using an AMD Athlon 64X2 processor on a
Giga-Byte computer as my desktop.
  am going to save up some cache for the move to 64-bit and buying
additional 6 or 8 gb of memory.
  will also have to check how it'll go for my Dell Latitude d630 laptop
which also uses 2gb of memory.
  talk soon
  Roy.
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: D!J!X!
    To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 6:37 PM
    Subject: [realmusicians] Re: windows 7 , any advantage over xp?


    Roy, you can use 32bit apps on the 64 bit platform, which is what i
would do until you are conftable with moving completely to 64 bit. Running a
64 bit OS will let you access all 4gb for your 32bit apps, which you can't
do now on an x86 (32bit) system due to hardware limitations of the platform.
Here's kind of an explanation, i'll try not to get too technical:
    Basically the x86 platform has a limit of 4gb of addressable ram, which
includes ram on any peripheral devices, such as network cards, onboard
chipsets, sound cards, video cards etc. This is not to say that your system
is sharing your physical ram with those components, but instead that the
system has to address all those other ram chips and run them on the same bus
as your ram, since you can only have a max of 4gb addressed on an x86
system, you never be able to truely have 4gb of ram, it usually maxes out at
3.5/3.25... Don't confuse this with something like shared video ram, where
your system actually shares ram with the video card, hwich gives you less
system ram, even if you have a video card with it's own dedicated ram, the
system still can't give you any more ram past the 3.50 limit or even less;
this number decreases everytime you add peripherals that have ram chips that
require an address.
    With an x64 system however, you can run upto 128gb of ram; this is the
spoken limit, theoretically speaking, the number is much higher than this...
Which means that when you say run an x64 system with 8 gigs of ram, you can
actually have 4gb of ram available to your 32bit programs, since your system
can see and will use all 8 of them. So if you run windows7 with 8gb, sonar
32bit can see and use the 4gb of ram that it can work with, and you'll still
have 4 additional for windows and any other programs. This however is kind
of tricky, because win7 x64 requires 2gb of ram minimum; but as always, you
want to double the minimum, so give it say 4gb of minimum ram, so with 8
gigs you'll still be able to get 4gb out clean, i wouldn't recommend
anything less than 8 for an x64 system, that's what I tell all my customers
when I'm building/putting together  daws or high-end computer workstations
for them. This only changes and gets a bit more complicated when you are
dealing with intel's new Core i5/i7/i9 (coming soon!) CPU's... I'll add you
to skype and we can have a chat; with all the new stuff coming out and
technology dropping prices people are just going out and buying stuff, but
they're making some  mistakes that will cause their systems great
instabilities... That's what i see over and over with the systems that
people bring in to my shop, or the specs they send me online for their
systems (current and/or future ones). Win7 is a great OS, you however have
to make sure you have the right things to run it; like Tom stated, it starts
with getting the correct drivers, but if you can get it to work and
configure it for optimal use, it'll kick vista's and even xp's but out of
the water! However that all depends, what your needs are and what you want
your system for...

    HTH, D!J!X!


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    From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roy Shtupler
    Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 10:37 AM
    To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: [realmusicians] Re: windows 7 , any advantage over xp?


    thought there were features of Sonar/JSonar supported only in 32-bit so
far; if not , shall consider 64 bit and the addition of ram.
    thanks alot
    Roy.
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Phil Muir
      To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 3:13 PM
      Subject: [realmusicians] Re: windows 7 , any advantage over xp?


      Ehh Roy.  Why would you want to run the 32 bit version?  Curious.



      Regards, Phil Muir
      Accessibility Training
      Telephone: US (615) 713-2021
      UK+44-1747-821-794
      Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246
      E-mail:
      info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
      URL:
      www.accessibilitytraining.co.uk/
        -----Original Message-----
        From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Roy Shtupler
        Sent: 17 December 2009 13:07
        To: midimag@xxxxxxxxxxx; realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; General
discussion of the JSonar project
        Subject: [realmusicians] windows 7 , any advantage over xp?


        hi listers
        to all windows 7 32 bit users;
        any significant improvements over xp 32-bit regarding the OS ,
screen-readers , and music applications in terms of speed , stability , etc?
        don't want to stray too off-topic here , so you may answer
privately.
        just want to make sure it's the right investment before forking over
200 bucks on the ultimate edition.
        thanks alot and all the very best
        Roy.

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