Wow H2O! Lol.
That was the said group I was speaking about in my message about
syncrosoft/ELicenser...
Regards, D!J!X!
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[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Indigo
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:14 AM
To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [realmusicians] Re: window-eyes behaving
Thanks, Tom.
No change in T Bird from turning off ui, so far, but online in FireFox 3X,
when I alt left arrow out of a web page, the Google page now speaks when I
return to it.
Before, I had to hit F5 to get it to speak again.
Missing lines is the only problem I get with Jarte, which I love otherwise,
and I got that on Win7 32 with WindowEyes 7.2, in XP also..
If I write very long compositions, big chunks can fail to read back.
Hitting the page up and page down keys might bring it back, but more
reliably I find refreshing the page with NumPad Insert backslash will bring
back the missing lines, but it'll occur again farther down.
It's almost like there's a buffer somewhere, maybe in Eloquence, that gets
filled to capacity, and should be expanded to hold more.
My buffer impression is also born up when I hear the ghost text that's
always been in my wineyes versions, little snatches of text I hear at times,
but I verify with sighted help that they're not appearing on the screen.
Other WindowEyes users have also told me they experience the mysterious
ghost text.
On my old XP machine, I almost always hear a snatch of ghost text, just as
I'm shutting down.
Sometimes, it's an embarrassing reminder of naughty experiments, like, I
might hear the phrase H2O Team. smile.
In version 7.5.1, before I made suggested changes in RealTech enhanced
effects, plus some other changes, I actually got text that I had selected
and deleted from T Bird messages I just wrote before going online; not only
speaking while I was surfing online, but actually appearing in the midst of
web pages.
I could actually arrow through and read my own previously deleted text, ,
character by character, word by word.
There must be a buffer or cache somewhere holding onto that deleted text.
I don't experience it that much now, but my fix was to close and reopen
winize, which works every time., and; no, I'm not hearing voices or
hallucinating otherwise. smile.
Indigo L
On 11/24/2011 9:53 AM, Tom Kingston wrote:
Hey Indigo,
I hope it helps.
Regarding missing lines? yeah, it has to do with whether a control is
accessed directly or via the off screen model. The only programs I
occasionally see this in are email clients. They seem to be a never
ending nemesis. I don't experience it in Wordpad, Notepad, etc. Making
sure the program is maximized often does the trick. Oh, and sometimes
using proportional fonts smaller than 10 point can cause problems as
well. But this is usually limited to the most narrow characters, like
the apostrophe, slash, lower case i, etc. And that's usually only if
they're at the end of lines.
Hth,
Tom
On 11/24/2011 9:35 AM, Indigo wrote:
Thanks, Tom.
I just made the ui change, and await
great results! smile.
I notice that WE is still refusing to read back certain lines from
what I just wrote, in this very message.
It's been there always, don't know when it began, but it was there in
v 3.1, in every program I wrote in, OutLook Express, Wordpad,
notepad, Jarte, Eudora, T Bird, in all kinds of computers.
Someone said it was a result of off screen modeling.
Indigo L
On 11/24/2011 8:06 AM, Tom Kingston wrote:
You can try disabling UIA support and see if it helps.
Open the WE control panel.
Alt-F, E to open your profile folder.
Open Wineyes.ini.
Change EnableUIA=1 to EnableUIA=0
save the file.
Shut down Window-Eyes then restart it.
I think it did help somewhat in older versions. But I've ran so many
builds and had it off and on so many times I found myself in a fog
as to whether it was really improving anything or not be it that it
was reset to on with every build and I may or may not have thought
of it. And a lot of work went into it with the latest release.
Hth,
Tom
On 11/23/2011 11:58 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
Well, I just don't know wha to think.
since I ghosted back and put we 7.2 refreshed version on my system,
my screen-reader is my friend again.
all sorts of little things, like list views not becomming
unfocused, windows not disappearing, namely sonar, and snappy response.
There's still the maddening thing about window-eyes loosing typed
characters if you go too fast in emails and such, that's been
around forever, but over all, atleast on my hardware, we
7.2
refresh seems to be the sweet spot.
Now I wonder if somehow the new ui stuff is messing up performance
in xp since that's what I'm using?
Haven't tried we in w7 yet,
but in a discussion with a friend, it was brought out that the ui
stuff can sometimes cause problems with non ui stuff, is this true?
Could it be that the older we is just a better match for the older
os, maybe the advancing technology broke something for the old
stuff inadvertently.
What do the programmer types say?
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