[realmusicians] Re: window-eyes behaving

  • From: D!J!X! <megamansuperior@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:29:32 -0500

Yupers, hydrogen and oxygen...

D!J!X!

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Subject: [realmusicians] Re: window-eyes behaving

H2O is just water here, okay?

On 11/24/2011 11:24 AM, D!J!X! wrote:
> Wow H2O! Lol.
> That was the said group I was speaking about in my message about 
> syncrosoft/ELicenser...
>
> Regards, D!J!X!
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Indigo
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:14 AM
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> Subject: [realmusicians] Re: window-eyes behaving
>
> Thanks, Tom.
> No change in T Bird from turning off ui, so far, but online in FireFox 
> 3X, when I alt left arrow out of a web page, the Google page now 
> speaks when I return to it.
> Before, I had to hit F5 to get it to speak again.
>
> Missing lines  is the only problem I get with Jarte, which I love 
> otherwise, and I got that on Win7 32 with WindowEyes 7.2, in XP also..
> If I write very long compositions, big chunks can fail to read back.
> Hitting the page up and page down keys might bring it back, but more 
> reliably I find refreshing the page with NumPad Insert backslash will 
> bring back the missing lines, but it'll occur again farther down.
> It's almost like there's a buffer somewhere, maybe in Eloquence, that 
> gets filled to capacity, and should be expanded to hold more.
>
> My buffer impression is also born up when I hear the ghost text that's 
> always been in my wineyes versions, little snatches of text I hear at 
> times, but I verify with sighted help that they're not appearing on the
screen.
> Other WindowEyes users have also told me they experience the 
> mysterious ghost text.
> On my old XP machine, I almost always hear a snatch of ghost text, 
> just as I'm shutting down.
> Sometimes, it's an embarrassing reminder of naughty experiments, like, 
> I might hear the phrase H2O Team. smile.
> In version 7.5.1, before I made suggested changes in RealTech enhanced 
> effects, plus some other changes, I actually got text that I had 
> selected and deleted from T Bird messages I just wrote before going 
> online; not only speaking while I was surfing online, but actually 
> appearing in the midst of web pages.
> I could actually arrow through and read my own previously deleted 
> text, , character by character, word by word.
> There must be a buffer or cache somewhere holding onto that deleted text.
> I don't experience it that much now, but my fix was to close and 
> reopen winize, which works every time., and; no, I'm not hearing 
> voices or hallucinating otherwise. smile.
>
> Indigo L
>
> On 11/24/2011 9:53 AM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>> Hey Indigo,
>>
>> I hope it helps.
>>
>> Regarding missing lines? yeah, it has to do with whether a control is 
>> accessed directly or via the off screen model. The only programs I 
>> occasionally see this in are email clients. They seem to be a never 
>> ending nemesis. I don't experience it in Wordpad, Notepad, etc. 
>> Making sure the program is maximized often does the trick. Oh, and 
>> sometimes using proportional fonts smaller than 10 point can cause 
>> problems as well. But this is usually limited to the most narrow 
>> characters, like the apostrophe, slash, lower case i, etc. And that's 
>> usually only if they're at the end of lines.
>>
>> Hth,
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> On 11/24/2011 9:35 AM, Indigo wrote:
>>> Thanks, Tom.
>>> I just made the ui change, and await great results! smile.
>>> I notice that WE is still refusing to read back certain lines from 
>>> what I just wrote, in this very message.
>>> It's been there always, don't know when it began, but it was there 
>>> in v 3.1, in every program I wrote in, OutLook Express, Wordpad, 
>>> notepad, Jarte, Eudora, T Bird, in all kinds of computers.
>>> Someone said it was a result of off screen modeling.
>>> Indigo L
>>>
>>> On 11/24/2011 8:06 AM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>>>> You can try disabling UIA support and see if it helps.
>>>> Open the WE control panel.
>>>> Alt-F, E to open your profile folder.
>>>> Open Wineyes.ini.
>>>> Change EnableUIA=1 to EnableUIA=0
>>>> save the file.
>>>> Shut down Window-Eyes then restart it.
>>>>
>>>> I think it did help somewhat in older versions. But I've ran so 
>>>> many builds and had it off and on so many times I found myself in a 
>>>> fog as to whether it was really improving anything or not be it 
>>>> that it was reset to on with every build and I may or may not have 
>>>> thought of it. And a lot of work went into it with the latest release.
>>>>
>>>> Hth,
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/23/2011 11:58 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>>>> Well, I just don't know wha to think.
>>>>>
>>>>> since I ghosted back and put we 7.2 refreshed version on my 
>>>>> system, my screen-reader is my friend again.
>>>>>
>>>>> all sorts of little things, like list views not becomming 
>>>>> unfocused, windows not disappearing, namely sonar, and snappy
response.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's still the maddening thing about window-eyes loosing typed 
>>>>> characters if you go too fast in emails and such, that's been 
>>>>> around forever, but over all, atleast on my hardware, we
>>>>> 7.2
>>>>> refresh seems to be the sweet spot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I wonder if somehow the new ui stuff is messing up performance 
>>>>> in xp since that's what I'm using?
>>>>> Haven't tried we in w7 yet,
>>>>> but in a discussion with a friend, it was brought out that the ui 
>>>>> stuff can sometimes cause problems with non ui stuff, is this true?
>>>>>
>>>>> Could it be that the older we is just a better match for the older 
>>>>> os, maybe the advancing technology broke something for the old 
>>>>> stuff inadvertently.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do the programmer types say?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For all your audio production needs and technology training, visit 
>>>>> us at
>>>>>
>>>>> www.affordablestudioservices.com
>>>>> or contact
>>>>> Chris Belle
>>>>> cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> or
>>>>> Stephie Belle
>>>>> stephieb1961@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> for customized web design
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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