Yupers, hydrogen and oxygen... D!J!X! -----Original Message----- From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Indigo Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 4:15 PM To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [realmusicians] Re: window-eyes behaving H2O is just water here, okay? On 11/24/2011 11:24 AM, D!J!X! wrote: > Wow H2O! Lol. > That was the said group I was speaking about in my message about > syncrosoft/ELicenser... > > Regards, D!J!X! > > -----Original Message----- > From: realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Indigo > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 11:14 AM > To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [realmusicians] Re: window-eyes behaving > > Thanks, Tom. > No change in T Bird from turning off ui, so far, but online in FireFox > 3X, when I alt left arrow out of a web page, the Google page now > speaks when I return to it. > Before, I had to hit F5 to get it to speak again. > > Missing lines is the only problem I get with Jarte, which I love > otherwise, and I got that on Win7 32 with WindowEyes 7.2, in XP also.. > If I write very long compositions, big chunks can fail to read back. > Hitting the page up and page down keys might bring it back, but more > reliably I find refreshing the page with NumPad Insert backslash will > bring back the missing lines, but it'll occur again farther down. > It's almost like there's a buffer somewhere, maybe in Eloquence, that > gets filled to capacity, and should be expanded to hold more. > > My buffer impression is also born up when I hear the ghost text that's > always been in my wineyes versions, little snatches of text I hear at > times, but I verify with sighted help that they're not appearing on the screen. > Other WindowEyes users have also told me they experience the > mysterious ghost text. > On my old XP machine, I almost always hear a snatch of ghost text, > just as I'm shutting down. > Sometimes, it's an embarrassing reminder of naughty experiments, like, > I might hear the phrase H2O Team. smile. > In version 7.5.1, before I made suggested changes in RealTech enhanced > effects, plus some other changes, I actually got text that I had > selected and deleted from T Bird messages I just wrote before going > online; not only speaking while I was surfing online, but actually > appearing in the midst of web pages. > I could actually arrow through and read my own previously deleted > text, , character by character, word by word. > There must be a buffer or cache somewhere holding onto that deleted text. > I don't experience it that much now, but my fix was to close and > reopen winize, which works every time., and; no, I'm not hearing > voices or hallucinating otherwise. smile. > > Indigo L > > On 11/24/2011 9:53 AM, Tom Kingston wrote: >> Hey Indigo, >> >> I hope it helps. >> >> Regarding missing lines? yeah, it has to do with whether a control is >> accessed directly or via the off screen model. The only programs I >> occasionally see this in are email clients. They seem to be a never >> ending nemesis. I don't experience it in Wordpad, Notepad, etc. >> Making sure the program is maximized often does the trick. Oh, and >> sometimes using proportional fonts smaller than 10 point can cause >> problems as well. But this is usually limited to the most narrow >> characters, like the apostrophe, slash, lower case i, etc. And that's >> usually only if they're at the end of lines. >> >> Hth, >> Tom >> >> >> On 11/24/2011 9:35 AM, Indigo wrote: >>> Thanks, Tom. >>> I just made the ui change, and await great results! smile. >>> I notice that WE is still refusing to read back certain lines from >>> what I just wrote, in this very message. >>> It's been there always, don't know when it began, but it was there >>> in v 3.1, in every program I wrote in, OutLook Express, Wordpad, >>> notepad, Jarte, Eudora, T Bird, in all kinds of computers. >>> Someone said it was a result of off screen modeling. >>> Indigo L >>> >>> On 11/24/2011 8:06 AM, Tom Kingston wrote: >>>> You can try disabling UIA support and see if it helps. >>>> Open the WE control panel. >>>> Alt-F, E to open your profile folder. >>>> Open Wineyes.ini. >>>> Change EnableUIA=1 to EnableUIA=0 >>>> save the file. >>>> Shut down Window-Eyes then restart it. >>>> >>>> I think it did help somewhat in older versions. But I've ran so >>>> many builds and had it off and on so many times I found myself in a >>>> fog as to whether it was really improving anything or not be it >>>> that it was reset to on with every build and I may or may not have >>>> thought of it. And a lot of work went into it with the latest release. >>>> >>>> Hth, >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11/23/2011 11:58 PM, Chris Belle wrote: >>>>> Well, I just don't know wha to think. >>>>> >>>>> since I ghosted back and put we 7.2 refreshed version on my >>>>> system, my screen-reader is my friend again. >>>>> >>>>> all sorts of little things, like list views not becomming >>>>> unfocused, windows not disappearing, namely sonar, and snappy response. >>>>> >>>>> There's still the maddening thing about window-eyes loosing typed >>>>> characters if you go too fast in emails and such, that's been >>>>> around forever, but over all, atleast on my hardware, we >>>>> 7.2 >>>>> refresh seems to be the sweet spot. >>>>> >>>>> Now I wonder if somehow the new ui stuff is messing up performance >>>>> in xp since that's what I'm using? >>>>> Haven't tried we in w7 yet, >>>>> but in a discussion with a friend, it was brought out that the ui >>>>> stuff can sometimes cause problems with non ui stuff, is this true? >>>>> >>>>> Could it be that the older we is just a better match for the older >>>>> os, maybe the advancing technology broke something for the old >>>>> stuff inadvertently. >>>>> >>>>> What do the programmer types say? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For all your audio production needs and technology training, visit >>>>> us at >>>>> >>>>> www.affordablestudioservices.com >>>>> or contact >>>>> Chris Belle >>>>> cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> or >>>>> Stephie Belle >>>>> stephieb1961@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> for customized web design >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > >