[realmusicians] Re: Sorry, I Ran Across this And couldn't Resist!

  • From: Chris Belle <cb1963@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:22:49 -0600

You ain't just a woofin.

Well, not to mention the advertising you have to slog through.

I don't know if you like shoot em up westerns, or post holocaust sci-fi but there's a website called graphicaudio.net which seels books, and their site is very uncluttered and you can download mp3s on the spot.

Los of folks are abandoning drm and going to straight mp3s, and since I a frustrated cowboy and rebel at heart,
I love the deathlands series and the mountain man series.

A lot of it is stuff to keep truckers awake on long trips, but it's done well, and for the most part the production is really good.

I've bitched at them a couple of times when they cut it too close with the back ground sounds and music and narration not being enough over all that stuff, since there's lots of that going on, and I actually think they listened to me.

some of the folks that read our talking books and commercial books show up there too, Coleene Delany, Richard Rowan,
folks like that.

They don't sell music, but you were talking about website clutter, and well, I think your right sighted people get pissed at having to navigate over cooked websites too, these truckers have to do enough paper work and keep log sheets, and they aren't going to waste time trying to guess which of the 3000 links will take them to the book they want.

Yup, the record companies should have figured it out long ago, put all that stuff up on servers, and make it easy for us to get.

By the way, cd prices have come down again, I think the record industry is finally getting the message, but it's probably too little, too late.

But many new releases are $10 instead of $20 now.

and they've gone back to single page print outs instead of these big booklets, keeping things simple, people don't care about all that anyway.

Liner notes are ok, but folks want the music, and i prefer getting it in lossless when I can, even if it's only 16 bit.

Speaking of cds, has anyone here found a good place to buy media and cases?

I've checked staples, and I bought 200 lightscribe disks from them and several months ago i bought a thousand tayo udyne cds from sweetwater when they had a good price, but always looking for deals on media,
I go through a lot of it.

You don't know what your getting til you get it home and look at the osg entry atip code, who really made it, but if anyone's had good experiences with a particular company let us know.

I'm fixin to spring for a bluray burner I think I saw one for 56 bucks the other day.

they are definitely coming down in price.



At 03:45 PM 11/14/2011, you wrote:
Oh I know there's still plenty of real and good music out there. It's just slim pickens in the commercial market. Now we have to hunt for it.

And as for the volume war? Scream! I don't even like listening to most new music because, as you said, the damn stuff is tiring. Yet it's amazing just how much we've gotten used to it due to the slow progression over the years. I'm reminded of it every time I pull something old out of my stack and listen to it. I let out a huge sigh of relief and fall in love with the true power of music all over again. It can pump me up, calm me down, chill me out, or pull me in. Nothing new does any of that.

What we need are some new age good old independent radio stations online playing indy artists that we can listen to and purchase on the spot. And they should be something like XM where you can pick a specific genre so you can tell them what you want to hear and hear what you want to hear. And it's all got to be very accessible, simple to use, and easy to plunk your virtual cash down. I'm still totally amazed at the mind-boggling complexity and bloat of so many web sites these days. It may be easier for sighted folks. But I ask from time to time and even they say some of them either overload their head or they lose patience after having to go through 8 pages in order to purchase a 12 dollar item. And that's only after figuring out how to get started on the front page with 67 headings, 48 tables, 32 frames, and 268 links.

Okay. Rant over.

Tom


On 11/14/2011 3:50 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
You said it bud.

I don't mind a little slick pop now and again and it's ok to be young
and look great, but the focus used to be on the talent and the art and
the integrity and now it's completely all about the money.

but in small corners of the musical universe, on the Americana market,
on xm radio which i don't have because I think it's such a rip-off, you
can't just buy one subscription like you do cable and have radios all
over the house, but folk festivals and blues festivals, and all sorts of
little and medium venues all over the place and in our little studios
the flame is being kept alive.

It all went to shit when mtv came around, that's when everyone had to
have a video and it didn't matter how you sounded so much as you looked.

Of course that element has always been there, you know those slick shows
from the 70s, band stand, and what was that black music line-up I forget
where all the great artists of color for that time showcased their stuf?

But still, even if there was dancing and showmanship going on, the music
was the main deal.

soul train, yeh, that's what I was trying to think of.

We all loved soul train.

But there's still a few good things coming out of top 40, you just
really have to look for it.

I like adele,
on the pop side, and i like Gretchen Wilson,
but man, they ruined her laast album with the volume wars thing, it's
getting ridiculous.

Absolutely no dynamic range, everything hugs 0 all the way through with
clipping all over the place.

These corporate cats have lost their mind and all sense of reality, or
people just are that desensatized and don't care?

I can hear audible distortion artifacts in the music.

The atacks of the drums and fiddles are so smeared, the fiddle sounds
like a synth.

they've done stuff to it with their million dollar processors to make it
sound better and still be loud, but how nice it's be if they just let it
be -5 db quieter and let it breathe.

i know we've had a lot of conversations about this sort of thing, but I
was doing a comparison of some different artists, and it really came
home to me how bad it was.

It's so sad.

I've officially joined the other side,
and unless I'm asked to, I'm letting my music be quieter on purpose, and
trying to educate my folks about what really happens when cds are too loud.

So far, it seems to be working.

YOu know those loud cds are actually quieter when they hit the
transmitter at radio stationsl which are designed to squash peaks, and
bring stuff up, well, if everything is maxed out, guess what happens?

Those pushed to 0 db tracks get turned down.

Recently I placed an ad on a local gospel station and I did use some
compression, but my meters are bouncing around -3 -4 and when it played
on the radio it was nice and loud, wasn't an;y quieter than the other
stuff they were playing, as a matter of fact, it was probably louder
than other commercials they were playing.

that's because the transmitter had something to do and and someplace to go.

Now I'm not the best engineer on the planet, but seems like someone
would figure this out but nobody has in the last well say since about
92, but on the independant market, and off the beaten path, you'll find
albums which are starting to be a little less compressed.

So I think atleast a few folks are starting to wig to the big lie.

i hope it keeps going that way.

I've got tapes I recorded of albums from back in the 70s when they used
to spin albums all night without talking so you could record some great
albums and I used the best tape I could afford, tdk and maxells, and
those tapes are clear and sound better than the super squashed over
processed signals they're pushing out the transmitters today.

Another thing, it makes it so much easier to mix when you don't have to
make things over loud, because you don't have to compensate and
frequency balance stuff to try and make it sound good or something
approaching good again, not to mention the stereo imaging gets smaller
when you squeeze too tight.

so for my country stuff, I'm using one mastering limiter,
just to take maybe 3 to 5 db off the peaks, and of course everything
going in is processed nicely as much as it needs to be, splitting the
difference between compressing and using lots of hand automation
like they used to do, ride that fader and spend some time doing it,
but it's amazing the mix sounds lively and kick drums thump you in the
chest, and the highs shimmer but don't shriek, and you can listen to
mixes a long time and your ears don't get tired.

that's what happens to me when i hear a modern over processed cd, after
about 3 songs, my ears just feel worn out.

Long live dynamic range we're trying to bring it back around here 'grin'.



At 01:28 PM 11/14/2011, you wrote:
Yeah, that's real country all right. It's amazing how much that genre
has changed in a relatively short amount of time. heck, tune in a
country station today and you'll hear what we heard on rock stations
in the 70s; The Eagles, Alabama, and most of the rest of what we
called southern rock. And I love the guys who come out of New York or
L.A. and suddenly develop the sweetest southern drawl. How pathetic.
Country music of today seems so fake. I'll take the grand ole opry any
day. Today's country is just an offshoot of the pop genre. The top
priority is that you've got to be a deva or a stud muffin. We'll worry
about that thar music thang later. First let me take a look at your ass.

Tom


On 11/14/2011 11:28 AM, Indigo wrote:
Now, here's my idea of real country.
Did anybody ever beat this, sorry about sound quality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DqEIBmGZxAhg&rct=j&sa=X&ei=DD_BTtWmFIKAgweS4N20Bw&ved=0CCIQuAIwAA&q=jimmy+rogers+blue+yodel+1&usg=AFQjCNFWuQYHfesfla1xx75dbjrI6GHPMg



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