[realmusicians] Re: Running Winize 7.5.2, god Help Me?

  • From: Indigo <33indigo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:32:48 -0500

I've been running MS Security Essentials and the default Windows 7 firewall for years now, on two different Windows 7 computers, and am under the illusion that they are transparent and cause no problems. I did turn the automatic update of virus signatures off on this computer, but MS security essentials begins to nag about system not protected as soon as new virus signatures are available, so I manually update them then.

I also do manual virus scans.
I don't enjoy auto devices kicking in unexpectedly, and I think Windoweyes is more stable without them. The only malware that got past MS security essentials and the default firewall in those years is a RootKit virus, which is known to get past all antiviruses, Norton, Macafee, whatever. That one was a nuisance, caused reboots, but didn't actually harm either the hard drive or the system. I put the infected drive in an external usB hard drive box, and as soon as I plugged it into a USB port, MS security essentials immediately detected the RootKit and zapped it. I read about how the RootKit virus gets past antiviruses, an incredibly devious scheme, but I forget the details now. Anyway, that external box for any SATA and ATA drives is a handy thing to have around.
Indigo L

On 11/23/2011 12:38 AM, Chris Belle wrote:
I agree completely.

I always turn off automatic updates, and any kind of automatic processes,
I've fudged a few times and left ms security essentials on as it doesn't
seem to get in the way much, but the next time I'[m under a heavy load,
I should check it and see if it makes a difference.

You hear me bitch about microsoft a lot, but I do like security
essentials, very accessible,
and quite flexible, you can tell it to leave stuff alone, and it is
light on resources.

At 11:02 PM 11/22/2011, you wrote:
If running win 7 I'd recommend using the windows backup to make images of
the entire system as oppose to system restore.
That use of the drive at the most crucial times can prove to be
harmful to a
recording in progress. Say for example you're recording a music piece
last quite a while, after 10 mins or so windows kicks to idol mode, and
stuff like win defender, autodefrags, system restore checkpoints, all
starts to run as it thinks you're not using the system.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:realmusicians-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Belle
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 2:19 PM
To: realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Running Winize 7.5.2, god Help Me?

I don't have system restore running all the time as it's a resource hog.

It's not really the same thing as an image, only backs up certain files,
it's a half assed microsoft thing no serious it person uses it.

Well, let's say would depend on it for a real backup.

At 12:14 PM 11/22/2011, you wrote:
>Can't you do a system restore, back a couple of days, before all this
>mess hit the fan?
>On 11/22/2011 1:05 PM, Chris Belle wrote:
>>You too huh?
>>Well, I lost my we 7.2 disk temporarily while the studio was being
>>built, so even though I owned window-eyes through 2 sma's a good
>>friend of mine lent me an iso so I could enjoy the dubious pleasures
>>of being a paying beta tester 'grin'.
>>I guess that's what we are with all this software.
>>I've come to the conclusion that we 7.2 was pretty good especially
>>after the refresh, then after all the furniture was moved around it
>>took a nose dive again.
>>I didn't have the luxury of having the option to go back to 751 and
>>use my own copy of we.
>>After I found my copy burried in a box someplace, I guess I didn't
>>imediately rectify putting my own on all the machines, and so, I'm out
>>of luck.
>>This all happened at the time when I felt I was really treated badly
>>by gwmicro, booted unsarimoniously off the beta team because I stood
>>up to Doug because all he wanted to hear about at the time were
>>scripting issues, and I felt there were important issues with the core
>>functionallity of we not being delt with.
>>So i didn't feel like asking for another disk and handing over 20
>>bucks, petty I know, but it really hurt at the time.
>>I don't care anymore, I think these access companies are all the same,
>>some a little better than others, but when you run a business, the
>>bottom line is making a living.
>>Doug's going to make a whole lot more money selling new copies of
>>window-eyes for as long as he can, and these little devices which he
>>can resell and not have to baby-sit too much, and the writing's on the
>>wall, with w8 coming out with a pretty good narrator, the mac coming
>>on strong, and these little screen-readers like nvda being nearly as
>>good as the big guys for more work a day tasks, I think the
>>screen-reader landscape is gonna change and the survivors will have to
>>do something different.
>>It won't be tomorrow, but
>>you know even fs has lowered their price for an sma, and they never do
>>Guess they're feeling the pinch too, so many blind folks buying macs
>>now, and or using the free stuff?
>>The cavvy course through sisco that Stephie is taking recommended nvda
>>over jaws or window-eyes and you would be very supprised at how good
>>that little reader is.
>>the only thing it lacks is direct pixel control of where to place the
>>mouse, you can't move by delta values yet, but it will read much stuff
>>that is silent to window-eyes, especially in windows 7.
>>How is it that a little free or donation supported screen reader can
>>be so stable and work so well, when the big guys are so troublesome?
>>Is it the bloat factor?
>>I think therecomes a time with any software when it reaches a critical
>>mass and then as features are piled on, and old code isn't updated or
>>taken out, it becomes less stable, responsive, and buggy.
>>And I'm no programmer, but I know enough to know how difficult and
>>elusive these things can be, especially with low level stuff, and the
>>ever changing target of how to even hook in to operating systems, dcm,
>>mirror drivers, ui and the whole nasty mess.
>>so I don't think it's malice, I think gwmicro is trying to survive,
>>like a friend of mine pointed out, neglect and disrespect can be
>>mistaken for quiet desperation.
>>Doug's got a payroll to make.
>>also, there's been a lot of personallity turn over over there it seems
>>to me and one of the main programmers died too right?
>>so, it would probably take a new programmer a lot of time to come up
>>to speed with what is going on rather than someone who's worked
>>intimately with window-eyes through it's birth and maturity and now
>>it's cancerous degeneration 'grin', sorry, just having a little fun,
>>don't get too mad at me Tom.
>>let's hope a little chemo therapy and prayer will bring it back and
>>some super smarts like you have.
>>Boy, I'm writing this message with jaws, and notice I'm getting no
>>missed typing characters which has always plagued me with window-eyes.
>>I know I get in a hurry and make mistakes, but I'm a pretty good
>>typer, if a lousy speller, but I get far more mistakes trying to type
>>with window-eyes.
>>No matter what I do, this never went away with any of my hardware.
>>A friend of mine kids me that I'm using too good hardware and I need
>>to use amd chips as he's a fan of amd stuff, it's a friendly little
>>thing we do, well, it's a wonder with all the crap that the pc world
>>has to deal with that any of this stuff works at all, and works as
>>well as it does.
>>Hope my personal observations and candid monologue on my personal
>>experiences doesn't offend anyone, it sure wasn't meant to.
>>My wife is using jaws almost exclusively now as she's more in to the
>>office stuff and it's a know fact that fs has been ahead in that
>>regard for years, much as we wouldn't want to admit it and as much
>>work as gwmicro has done with special tweaks for office.
>>Where window-eyes still shines is exploring new apps, seeing tool
>>tips, and general exploration especially with the older operating
>>When I was creating session drummer 3 hotspot clicker sets for jaws I
>>kept bouncing back to window-eyes to see what was under the mouse.
>>Jaws will do this too, but it's a bit more clunky, window-eyes mouse
>>navigation is more natural and immediate.
>>Well, if I have to make a choice, there will always be demo copies of
>>we around, and maybe we 8 will be the magic bean third time's the charm
>>here's hoping.
>>My heart always goes out to the under dog, the little company, and
>>there is still a little bit of that left at gwmicro, not much, but
>>they are marginally better to deal with than FS, I hope all of that
>>doesn't go away.
>>But it's a terrible strain to maintain kindness and patience when
>>you've got a zillion blind folks yammering at you, and more and more
>>pressure put on just a few people, and I understand this, but we dish
>>out our money so we can do our work, and we should have the right to
>>expect results.
>>Well, mnot only have I not gotten results, but what I had to begin
>>with has been lessened, and made more troublesome to use.
>>So what can I say?
>>Probably nothing more of value at this point.
>>blessing everyone.
>>At 10:5
>>9 AM 11/22/2011, you wrote:
>>>It's okay Tom, problems solved.
>>>I got a system restore back 2 days, before this disaster; so now I
>>>have Wineyes 7.5.1 again.
>>>I wasted time trying to install 7.5.1 on top of 7.5.2 and got a
>>>message that some hook or the other could not be set, so lost speech
>>>at that point, but my wife did the restore.
>>>Thanks for your help,
>>>Indigo L
>>>On 11/22/2011 9:19 AM, Tom Kingston wrote:
>>>>Make sure Show advanced options is on under the help menu. Open the
>>>>keyboard node and cursor down once to the voice node. Then tab once
>>>>for the speak options.
>>>>I've never had any problem with the backspace key.
>>>>I just tried Ctrl-Shift-R and got the same result as you. I never
>>>>noticed because I've never used it in a composition window before.
>>>>On 11/22/2011 8:30 AM, Indigo wrote:
>>>>>I just looked in the control panel, and that old setting of speak
>>>>>characters, or whole words as you type seems not to be there any
>>>>>Next I'm going to get off the thunderbird.000 set file, because it
>>>>>might be a new one they developed for 7.5.2; and not the one I had
>>>>>developed myself in 7.5.1.
>>>>>I do notice small improvements in thunderbird, the backspace is
>>>>>more reliable, but the old read to end shortcut control+shift+R now
>>>>>only reads the single sentence I'm on, and not to the end, as
>>>>>I wish I could type that blithring idiot noise the Three Stooges
>>>>>used, you know, where you make a noise with your mouth as youflip
>>>>>across your lips with a finger.
>>>>>that's how I feel typing in this madness! smile.
>>>>>Indigo L
>>>>>On 11/21/2011 1:59 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>maybe it's something to do with keyboard settings; will further
>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo" <33indigo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>To: <realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 7:44 PM
>>>>>>Subject: [realmusicians] Re: Running Winize 7.5.2, god Help Me?
>>>>>>>Nope, Roy.
>>>>>>>Same double repeating with and without apps running.
>>>>>>>It's not just speaking the character I just typed, or the word,
>>>>>>>but the sentence I'm typing, cumulatively, from the first word to
>>>>>>>the cursor position, instantly the very nanosecond I pause typing.
>>>>>>>Where is the setting to turn off speaking of typed words in the W
>>>>>>>E control panel, do you know?
>>>>>>>I used to know, but can't find it in this wonderful tree view
>>>>>>>control panel.
>>>>>>>Indigo L.
>>>>>>>On 11/21/2011 12:03 PM, Roy Shtupler wrote:
>>>>>>>>does it have a script for ThunderBird?
>>>>>>>>if so , when setting the scripting status to Manual , does this
>>>>>>>>go away?
>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Indigo"
>>>>>>>>To: <realmusicians@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 6:48 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: [realmusicians] Running Winize 7.5.2, god Help Me?
>>>>>>>>>Okay, here I am in the first moments with the new Winize 7.5.2
>>>>>>>>>upgrade, and it's utter chaos in my Thunderbird.
>>>>>>>>>It is reading every line twice immediately after I type even a
>>>>>>>>>single character, never did that before.
>>>>>>>>>I feel like I'm in some huge cave, with an echo repeating every
>>>>>>>>>thing I say!
>>>>>>>>>When I pressed the enter key to begin the upgrade, I felt just
>>>>>>>>>like I do at the doctors, beginning some procedure that could
>>>>>>>>>either take the disease away or take my life, and all I can do
>>>>>>>>>is submit. smile.
>>>>>>>>>Now I gotta go into the tree structure of the once easy Winize
>>>>>>>>>control panel and try to find a setting that will shut down
>>>>>>>>>this maddening double echo One thing about hearing everything
>>>>>>>>>twice, I sure have no doubt about what I've written. smile.
>>>>>>>>>I don't know whether to laugh or cry!
>>>>>>>>>Indigo L
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