I haven't played with Windows 8 directly, but this reminds me of the bewilderment and confusion I felt in trying to understand the differences between Windows 3.1 and Windows 95, it was just a complete shift in the thought process. I am really hoping that Narrator matures into something useful, but I'm not holding out a lot of hope for that. I'm actually pretty excited about Windows Phone 8, there just might be some pretty phenomenal access, but we could see a situation where the operating system could work well, but many apps could be completely inaccessible. On 5/23/12, Andrea Breier <abreier@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Yes I believe it was loaded on a desktop that I had. > > > > Hugs, > Andrea M. Breier > -----Original Message----- > From: Mitchell D. Lynn > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:37 AM > To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: [Windows 8 Security what's new > > I got off the upgrade treadmill a long time ago. New ain't always better: > anyone remember Windows ME? > > -----Original Message----- > From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > On Behalf Of Duyahn Walker > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:23 AM > To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: [Windows 8 Security what's new > > I still have xp. And yes, I know XP is dying out. Thing is? I can't afford > a > back up computer with Windows 7 on it. But by the time I get even close to > Windows 7, 8 will be here. So what's the point? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reginald George" <adapt@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:58 AM > Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: [Windows 8 Security what's new > > >> And you should be worried. Someone said Windows 8 is like bolting a >> toaster >> on to a refrigerator. It's their phone/tablet operating system, and >> their >> desktop operating system, all mashed together. >> >> I haven't read this anywhere, but I think the new Narrator stole a lot of >> it's command structure directly from Voiceover on the Mac because you >> can't >> patent a keyboard lay-out. I'm glad you can't, but I think it's funny. >> Maybe Jim has played with both and can say better. I don't know if the >> exact commands are the same, but they use windows alt just like the mac >> uses >> command and option or whatever, and you have this whole concept of >> interacting with elements or not. From the podcast I heard Narrator was >> not >> working very well on the internet at all, and it was very complicated >> just >> to navigate through web pages on a basic level. Of course updates are >> coming out all the time, and it's still in beta. I believe there is >> already >> a blind windows 8 list, and I'm thinking of joining it. It will all be >> very >> interesting to watch, but I'm sure in no hurry to switch. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kimberly A. Morrow, PhD >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:49 AM >> To: 'real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' >> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: [Windows 8 Security what's new >> >> The reason I don't have a great deal of faith in MicroSoft's commitment >> to >> accessibility is because of what occurred with their complete failure to >> provide accessibility to their most recent Windows operating system on >> cell >> phones. I'm amazed that, with the new telecommunications access laws in >> place, MicroSoft was able to move forward with a completely inaccessible >> interface. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >> On Behalf Of Reginald George >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:45 AM >> To: real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: [Windows 8 Security what's new >> >> It sounds like at first that we will have access to maybe half of the >> operating system. The Metro apps are anyone's guess at this point. The >> desktop versions of the apps hopefully will work as before, but there are >> no >> mirror drivers aloud. So this will effect how Jaws and Windoweyes can >> access information in the off screen model such as things they need to >> give >> the best accessibility. No one knows at this point as the screen readers >> are still under development. Someone may have more specific information >> than I do. But I'm on the look out for anything real that I can pass on. >> I >> think it will get much more competitive for FS and GWMicro because we >> will >> have the same level of access as System Access and NVDA and Narrator. No >> more, no less, unless I'm totally way off base here. I'm wondering how >> it >> will effect things like basic Office support to lose that ability to >> mirror >> the video card output. So far no one is talking. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kimberly A. Morrow, PhD >> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 7:01 AM >> To: 'real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' >> Subject: [real-eyes] Re: Fw: [Windows 8 Security what's new >> >> And the big question is: What do the changes mean for users of screen >> readers? >> >> Kim >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kimberly A. Morrow, PhD >> Communications Specialist >> Unity >> Message of Hope Ministry >> 1901 NW Blue Parkway >> Unity Village, MO 64065 >> Toll Free: 866-421-3066 >> Local: 816-251-3588 >> M-F, 7:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. (CT) >> >> >> www.unity.org >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:real-eyes-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >> On Behalf Of Reginald George >> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:17 PM >> To: nutkc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; real-eyes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; >> accesscomp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [real-eyes] Fw: [Windows 8 Security what's new >> >> FYI >> -----Original Message----- >> From: peter altschul >> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 1:46 PM >> To: Ati >> Subject: [ATI] [VICUG-L] Fw: [blindwindows8] Windows 8 Security what's >> new >> >> Windows 8 Security: What's New >> Windows 8 is a major OS overhaul, but some of the most important >> additions >> might be the ones you can't see. Here's a look at Windows 8's new >> security >> tools and features. >> >> By Eric Geier, PCWorld May 17, 2012 9:00 pm >> >> Windows 8 Security: What's NewThe Start screen is the most obvious change >> to >> Windows 8, but some of the biggest changes are less apparent. >> When Windows 8 comes out later this year, the new Start screen and >> Metro-style apps will likely be the first changes you'll notice, but >> those >> aren't the only things that are new. Microsoft is also making some >> serious >> security enhancements to help keep your system safer and to improve >> Windows' >> ability to combat viruses and malware. It just may be the biggest >> improvement to Windows security yet. >> Antivirus Comes Preinstalled >> >> For the first time in the history of Windows, you'll enjoy protection >> from >> viruses, spyware, Trojan horses, rootkits, and other malware from the >> very >> first day you turn on your Windows PC--without spending a cent. >> Windows 8 comes with an updated version of Windows Defender that includes >> traditional antivirus functions in addition to the spyware protection and >> other security features that it has offered since Windows Vista. Windows >> Defender now provides similar protection--and a similar look and feel--to >> that of the free Microsoft Security Essentials antivirus program, which >> Microsoft has offered to users as an optional download since 2009. >> >> Windows 8 Security: What's NewThe updated Windows Defender resembles >> Microsoft Security Essentials. >> >> Since Windows Defender will provide at least basic virus and malware >> protection, purchasing yearly antivirus subscriptions (such as from >> McAfee >> or Norton) or downloading a free antivirus package (like AVG or >> Avast) is optional, whereas before it was pretty much required if you >> wanted >> to stay virus-free. Of course, you may disable Windows Defender and use >> another antivirus utility that promises better protection and more >> features, >> but at least everyone will have basic protection by default. >> Better Download Screening >> >> When Microsoft released Internet Explorer 9, it updated the browser's >> SmartScreen Filter to help detect and block unknown and potentially >> malicious programs that you download; the function complements IE's >> website >> filtering, which works to block phishing and malicious sites. >> Starting with Windows 8, the program-monitoring portion of the >> SmartScreen >> Filter is built into Windows itself, and it will work whether you're >> using >> IE, Firefox, Chrome, or any other browser. >> >> In Windows 8, the first time you run a program that you downloaded from >> the >> Internet, the SmartScreen Filter checks it against a list of known safe >> applications, and alerts you if it's unknown and therefore has the >> potential >> to be malware. If the alert does pop up, you could then further >> investigate >> the program (and the source where you downloaded it) before running it. >> >> Windows 8 Security: What's NewSmartScreen produces an alert if you run an >> unknown program. >> >> Since Microsoft is adding the SmartScreen feature, the company is >> removing >> the previous Security Warning alerts that appeared when you first opened >> a >> downloaded program (the old alert would show the verification status of >> the >> program publisher and warn you about running programs downloaded from the >> Internet). >> >> This is a welcome change, as it cuts down on the number of alerts you >> have >> to click through--with Windows 8, you'll see an alert only when >> something's >> amiss. >> Faster, More Secure Startup >> >> Starting with Windows 8, Microsoft will begin to promote a new type of >> boot >> method, UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware Interface), which improves upon >> and replaces the archaic BIOS boot system that most PCs have been using >> for >> decades. I won't get into the technical details here, but UEFI offers >> better security, faster startup times, and a number of other benefits. >> >> Thanks to this new boot method (and other system enhancements), your PC >> will >> start up more quickly--in as little as 8 seconds, from the time you press >> the power button to when Windows fully loads to the desktop. But you're >> sure to appreciate the less noticeable improvements too. >> The >> Secure Boot feature of UEFI will prevent advanced malware (such as >> bootkits >> and rootkits) from causing damage, and it will stop other boot loader >> attacks (such as malware that loads unauthorized operating >> systems) as well. >> >> Though Windows 8 will work on PCs with the old BIOS boot system, >> Microsoft >> will require new PCs that carry the Windows 8 Certification to use the >> UEFI >> boot system with the Secure Boot feature enabled by default. This Secure >> Boot requirement is causing some concern within the PC industry and among >> power users, as it could complicate the process of using Linux >> distributions >> or dual-booting multiple operating systems. >> However, Microsoft has promised to keep boot control in users' >> hands, >> and the company requires system makers participating in Windows 8 >> Certification to offer a way for users to disable the Secure Boot feature >> on >> PCs (but not on tablets). >> Two New Password Types >> >> Windows 8 introduces two new password types that you can use when logging >> in >> to your Windows account: a four-digit PIN and a "picture password." >> >> For the picture password, you choose a photo or image and draw three >> gestures (a combination of circles, straight lines, or >> taps/clicks) in >> different places to create your "password." >> >> Windows 8 Security: What's New >> >> Even if you decide to use these new password types, you still must set up >> a >> regular password. A PIN offers a faster way to log in, and a picture >> password gives you a more creative and fun way to do so. >> Sometimes you'll have to enter the regular password, such as when you >> need >> administrative approval for changing system settings as a standard user, >> but >> you can log in to your account using the PIN, the picture, or your >> regular >> password. >> Other Noteworthy Defense Measures >> >> The enhanced Windows Defender, SmartScreen, boot system, and password >> protection are the most noticeable security improvements in Windows 8. >> But the new OS has even more system enhancements that you won't see at >> all. >> A few core Windows components (such as the Windows kernel, ASLR, and >> heap) >> have been updated to help reduce common attacks and exploits even >> further. >> -- >> >> Christopher Hallsworth >> >> To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, >> go >> to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes >> >> >> To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, >> go >> to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes >> >> To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, >> go >> to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes >> >> >> To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, >> go >> to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes >> >> To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, >> go to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes >> >> > > To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, go > to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes > > > To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, go > > to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes > > To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, go > to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes > > > To subscribe or to leave the list, or to set other subscription options, go to www.freelists.org/list/real-eyes