Going for the minor message over the meta-message? You can do better than that, Ken. I said I am against the extreme interpretation of those things. I am pro free-speech, but you can't yell "fire" in a crowded room. I believe in due process, but "a toilet isn't a bathtub" to quote Blackstone J. And yes, minority tyranny is wrong. It is the extremes that I am opposed to. Eating ice cream carried to the extreme is wrong. Freedom of religion is wrong when it mandates everyone will be religious or one specific religion. Society, and in fact the Charter, acknowledges there are limits on every right: 1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society. Life is about attaining balance. Would you say that if a little is good, then a lot really good? I doubt it, but I may be wrong. Mark >Mark! > >Grin... > >So, just to recap... > > [c] You are anti-free speech, re Zundel > [b] You are anti-due process in times of "perceived" emergency; >pro-extra police rights > [a] You are anti-minority "domination" of majorities because it's >minority tyranny > >Grin... > >Ken. > >-- >The essence of all power is the right to define with authority, >and the major stake of the power struggle is the appropriation >or retaining of the right to define. > -- Zygmunt Bauman