[python] Re: cruzbike

  • From: r.mccrady@xxxxxxxxxxx
  • To: python@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 04:24:57 +0000

It looks like that has a steering head angle of about 90 degrees and a large 
rake. Is that right?Traylor's plans call for an angle of 65 degrees and a rake 
of 1 inch, I think. How did you choose those steering parameters? I'd really 
like to see any more information you can provide, as I'm preparing to build one 
of these, probably this weekend, and I had planned on using the parameters 
above. I'm especially interested in the details of the joint between the front 
fork and the dropouts for the front wheel. Thanks for the photo and info.


PS: I think I'll try it without handlebars first.

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From: "25hz" <25hz@xxxxxxxxxx> 

> Diggin up another old post . . . 
> I helped two friends build two swing boom FWDs like Tom Traylor's and a 
> friend of mine built another one 
> (http://georgianbents.ca/trikefest%20fwd%20aug%202005.jpg), only they didn't 
> look quite as refined as Tom's. Both of my friends' were no-weld versions, 
> but I took the one bike and welded all the joints and removed and filled up 
> the bolt holes (as best I could, anyway). The yellow bike was really hard 
> to ride because the back rest kept twisting on it. The one guy moved and I 
> just heard back from him so I'm hoping he can send me some pictures of his 
> swing boom bent. 
> For riding, they didn't feel anything like the python, at least in my mind, 
> and they all had a fairly upright seating position. When you first started 
> pedalling, you had to counter steer with the opposite arm and to turn it was 
> a matter of fighting your arms with your legs or vice versa. This was only 
> when first riding it, because after a few minutes, the control really 
> smoothed out as you relaxed. Still being a novice on it, I found my arms 
> and legs were moving as if I was walking and slight opposite pressure from 
> my arms would counter the pedal force, so I sort of did the "salmon pedal 
> steer" thing. When both my friends rode, they were as smooth as silk and 
> one of them could ride with no hands as he had been commuting on his (about 
> 15km round trip) for nearly two weeks. I was amazed because I had to keep 
> pretty firm pressure on the handle bars at all times and couldn't imagine 
> taking my hands off. Also, this was after I had over 500km on the python, 
> so I was fairly competent at riding with just foot and hip control. 
> I still want to build one of them anyway and there's no reason you have to 
> use 26" wheels in a 26" frame so for ease, I'll maybe take a 27" frame and 
> use 24" wheels. I really want to give the design a chance and see what it 
> rides like if I get used to it. I'm really starting to prefer a laid back 
> seat angle for better aerodynamics, like 30 degrees or flatter, but I don't 
> know how that will adapt to a swing boom, or even the python trike. I guess 
> I'll just have to try it and find out. 
> | Hello Brian, 
> | 
> | the Cruzbike is a Tom Traylor (TT) clone and the easiest-to-build 
> | recumbents I know. I reckon that one always needs some "arm action" 
> | to counteract the pedal induced steering, but I am sure one gets 
> | used to it. 
> | 
> | Would be great if you tell us about your experiences. 
> | 
> | Once Jürgen Maier has built a TT-clone and I wonder how he is getting 
> | along with it in the meantime. Any others here in this list with 
> | Cruzbike experiences? 
> | 
> | Cheers, 
> | Jürgen. 
> | 
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