Howard, Friction dampers are usually deprecated, because they give too much static friction for a given amount of friction in motion. Hydraulic dampers, though usually less compact, give a damping force which increases with the speed of the motion to be damped. This would be particularly applicable to a steering damper, which would tend to start moving with a jerk (to overcome stiction), making it hard to control precisely. Modern motorcycle steering dampers seem to be generally hydraulic, probably for this reason. Esko Meriluoto used a hydraulic motorcycle steering damper on his centre-steered Hipparion trike, and was emphatic that all trikes need steering dampers. That was an overstatement, but it may be true for centre-steered trikes. In my experience, you can get perfectly adequate traction on a slick or narrow tyre on tarmac: when necessary, I have lifted the rear wheel on an MR Swift under brakes on Tioga Comp Pools and 28mm Marathon Slicks, which implies braking acceleration of about 1g, and corresponding adhesion. The same tyres spun miserably on loose gravel or mud. Knobbies would have gripped on those surfaces, but would have been very poor tyres elsewhere. As well as high rolling resistance, they actually have less grip than slicks on tarmac, even wet tarmac. So I think you need to decide just where your present tyres are letting you down, and whether you need more tread for loose and soft surfaces. If you do need more tread, there are three ways of getting it. First, knobbies from K-Mart: don't do it. Second, shallow-tread high pressure tyres, such as Big Apples or Hookworms: some possibles here. Third, tyres with a fairly smooth crown on the tread, and knobs along the sides, which engage only when you sink in. I'm not sure if anyone is still making these, which were actually a very nasty compromise for bikes, but might work OK on trikes. I doubt that wide tyres will be more stable directionally: I have seen no evidence of it myself. There is a move to wider tyres for comfort and grip, however. Schwalbe are making wider tyres and lowering maximum pressures from about 100psi to more like 70psi, without losing anything in rolling resistance or puncture resistance. Look at some of their recent Marathons, particularly the Supreme, and the Big Apples. You can also get several very solid high-pressure tyres with shallow treads from Maxxis, such as the Hookworm. I have tried these tyres, and dislike them intensely. Heavy, high rolling resistance and a very rough ride. They do seem to be indestructible, however, and are fairly cheap: they might do nicely on a wheelbarrow. George On Thu, 2010-06-17 at 21:46 -0500, Howard Stevens wrote: > Hi Pythonites. Like some others I have some problems with PSI with my > Python-like trike. The steering pivot is 100mm in front of the line > of my hips and I cannot get it closer than this with my design. I > have tried bungy cords which make it quite rideable but when peddling > up hills the PSI becomes more noticeable, despite paying attention to > pedalling style and gearing. My idea is like the old motorbike > dampers which reduced movements by increasing the friction of the > joint movements. (see the attachment) By having a hollow pivot pin > with a cam lever and skewer with a nut on the lower end, and adjusting > the nut at the lower end of the pivot screw you could adjust the > amount of friction and hence movement needed, but avoiding any locking > which could be dangerous. By releasing the cam lever at the top, all > the friction would cease and so you could easily turn. The friction > would be between the bottom aluminium plate and the carbon fibre base > of the front wheel housing. The old motorbike dampers had a couple of > bronze plates as well, which I understand made good friction plates. > Another thing I mentioned was the idea of putting a wide tyre on the > front wheel, thus giving increased traction for pulling on hills and > for braking. The extra rubber to road contact would also make the > wheel less likely to wobble, according to some experimenters. > So any comments ? Happy cycling Howard Stevens > > ============================================================ This is the Python Mailinglist //www.freelists.org/list/python Listmaster: J�rgen Mages jmages@xxxxxx To unsubscribe send an empty mail to python-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field. ============================================================