thanks for your picture.
Meanwhile I decided to keep the handlebars because of the reasons you mentioned.
But I made a change to the configuration so it looks more like your setup: I
turned them around so they point upwards.
At first I did not like that because they seem to be in the way when getting
onto the bike.
I liked the „out of the way“ position underneath the seat as in my flickr
gallery - but unfortunately this would kill the levers when crashing.
Now it is more safe for crashes - I have to think about something similar for
better protection like your T-shaped form...
I did a few laps with the new position yesterday but I felt really
uncomfortable regarding stability and balance. It needs some time to sink in
(better now than later).
Launching was only possible freehanded because the handlebars were a major
They only helped for tight turns (as you said) and of course for braking going
slightly downhill (<10 km/h still I guess).
Everything at slow speed seemed instable when even touching the handlebars - I
really have to train this more often.
Also it felt like it would take ages to learn riding a python.
But then I thought:
Maybe it took the same time when I was a kid and learned to ride a conventional
It only didn’t feel like a task - more than an adventure. Much free time, hours
and hours of practicing („playing“) in the backyard or on the street to develop
all the riding skills for later.
The first time I fell going over a curb, slipping when braking on wet surface,
skidding in mud etc.
Today it’s more of a task, but a nice one - and a very interesting experience.
I wonder how long it will take…
Am 20.03.2018 um 14:22 schrieb Dirk Bonne <dbonne@xxxxxxx>:
People are devided where I handlebars are concerned. Riding with handlebars
have to be learned just as without. Because leverage is very small compared
to the steering leverage through your legs, handlebars can only aid.
I personally am very much pro-handlebars:
* I feel safer when I have handlebars at high speeds (55-65kmh). At these
speeds there is only very little control needed and I find that leg-control
feels tool "loose". I would not dare those speeds hands-free.
* To get very tight turning circles at very low speeds (for example to go
slalom through bars at the end of cyclepaths), I pull hard one of the
handlebar sides to bend my python in a curve.
I have my handlebars upright. I find this more ergonomic. I also made them in
2 T-pieces to protect my shifter and break-levers.
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Betreff: [python] Re: Still learning to charm the snake
I would not say I am in full control. It just grants me control for a certain
length of time… :)
Did you try not going straight but leaning into a circle? I found that much
easier at first to get a feeling.
And did you try the thing Vi suggested - launching with only one foot up the
I just read a length thread in a German velomobil forum and someone said he
disposed the handlebars because he felt that they got the python unstable as
soon as he touched them.
I have the same feeling - as soon as I go faster and feel like breaking I
almost fall over because the old pattern takes over to try to steer the bike
with the handlebars...
Should I get rid of the handlebars and just add a fixed stick to the rear
Who of you has handlebars or uses them?
If you don’t have any - where to put the brake levers?
And how can I practice going downhill or faster?
Am 19.03.2018 um 11:32 schrieb Karl McCracken <karl.mccracken@xxxxxxxxxxx
Nice. And oh, how I envy your apparent control of the beast!
Just heading out for another half hour of Not Riding. Yesterday I think I did
almost 20m in a straight line without putting hands or feet down...
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I have trained almost every day for about 30 minutes and feel more and more
Yesterday I dumped the „sticks“ because they were more of a distraction and
always hurt my knuckles when I crashed.
Without sticks it is easier to grab the brakes (for an emergency or when
going slightly downhill) and I can still touch the ground when I tip over in
a tight turn.
Because I reckoned that I still felt uncomfortable doing clockwise circles I
began practicing doing exactly that.
I still feel better having the right (leading) foot first but in a clockwise
circle it would be better the other way round - or just keeping pedalling.
So I try to do as many clockwise circles as possible - maybe I try to find a
bigger space where I can do figure eights again and again.
I also almost dumped the plan with the training wheels - but what will happen
when I crash going faster speeds?
The crashes did not only hurt my knuckles (both middle fingers are a bit
stiff now) but also scratched the brake levers and nearly destroyed the
trigger shift for the Alfine hub (the indicator is defunct now and almost
I also put a sliced rubber hose around the lower edges of the mesh seat
because the fabric also seemed to get eaten up by the crashes.
This is part of yesterdays session trying without sticks for the first time:
Left turns work pretty well, but clockwise is still a bit instable (I have to
leave the yard for a few seconds to come back for going clockwise…)
@Karl: how are you doing with your python? Have some pictures of it?
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