I can relate to that (sun-cream is only for girly types) although along my life's journeys I have eventually learned that screen for long exposures is prudent, that it's not good to MIG weld on hot days in flip-flops and shorts, nor is it good to Oxy & MIG weld all -20°C winter day in the garage with the doors closed thinking the heat will keep you warm. "Metal Fume Fever" must be experienced to be believed. Hell I even learned once it's good to wait for the router (1" straight cutter 1.5" long) to completely stop before bending over to inspect the cut. The ensuing twisting of my denim crotch and clacking & ripping of metal fly-buttons taught me that sometimes lack of prudence could turn one *into* a "girly man" ;-D Daryl - then there was the time in the basement I had to wrestle in the dark with a big grinder with dual wire brushes (plugged into an overhead light) that buzzed off the bench & snapped the light. Being "He man" my natural inclination was to catch it. Have you ever fought something with impressive gyro forces (in the dark) that is ripping the crap out your chest and arms and tearing your shirt to ribbons. Only "Girly men" fasten down the grinder rather than just push it back. Yes, I could tell you stories, a lot of stories! "He-man Daryl" ;-D -----Original Message----- He'll certainly need it a next time too, because Olaf believes sun-cream is only for girly types! Dirk