In a message dated 9/12/2004 9:40:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lloyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: sep1204 from Lloyd Erlick, I think we've developed a bit of needless acrimony. I'd like to look upon the various people who are advocating their versions of what we should do as developers of various contingency plans. They are very kindly offering resources and personal time. They have for the most part described their plans for others to consider. Perhaps we could stay where the list is at present, until we perceive a need to change again. By then we will have had lots of time to discuss the various plans, and the next change could be much more orderly and thought out. In the meantime, it would be much more productive to discuss the matter(s) unemotionally and without personal aspersions. Really, we're very fortunate to have such an embarrassment of riches. Look what we're doing - arguing over which unbelievably generous offer to accept! I'd rather have the various generous parties think about their plan and set things up at their own ends in such a way that when or if the time comes some chosen plan could be implemented painlessly. Also, since Tim has pointed out that he has basically paid for it all over the years, we should consider a way to get some cash. For a start, could we think about sending some modest amount to help with costs? I'd propose twenty dollars per year. I'd also just leave it loose, call it the honour system if you like. Even a handful of regulars ponying up modestly would probably make a difference. I would say we should just trust the list keeper with the money, since it will very likely be a small amount! My competence is not at all in the digital arena, so I am content to go along with the server/software/tech decisions of others on this list who obviously know better than I do. However, I do have competence in the area of human relations. (Think it's possible to do portraits like mine without it?) And I say this discussion group should adhere strictly to its own, former, high standards of behaviour. The true uniqueness of this group is not the technical proficiency of the participants, but the civility of the discourse. Without that, the willingness of individual participants dwindles over time, and the quality of the whole suffers as the various technically proficient members wander away. We have been fortunate to see the reverse process taking place -- an extreme rarity -- and we should do our best to promote that aspect of our activities. regards, --le ________________________________ Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto. voice: 416-686-0326 email: portrait@xxxxxxxxxxxx net: www.heylloyd.com ________________________________ Lloyd, You work is stunning and your words ring true. I'm inspired. Becky Lynn ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.