Well, for example, a very knowledgable friend has worked out the following for FP4+ in a specific developer and dilution and specific processing technique (stand developing in this instance):Exposure ASA DevTime N-2 40 8min N-1 50 9.5 N 64 12 N+1 64 15 N+2 80 18-20 As you can see, both the ASA used for exposure and the developing time change based on how much compression or expansion you want. Thus my term "fluid". I hope this helps explain, Bob Bob Adler Palo Alto, CA http://www.raflexions.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Ralph W. Lambrecht <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: PureSilverNew <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 1:45:08 PM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Zone Data Project N+ and N- are pretty well defined. What do you mean with 'fluid'? Regards Ralph W. Lambrecht http://www.darkroomagic.com On 2006-09-22 22:33, "Jim MacKenzie" <jim@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <rgacpa@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:15 PM > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Zone Data Project > > >> My review of the massive dev chart is that it doesn't contain N+ or N- >> information. My shallow understanding of the zone method is that both ASA >> and dev times usually change to achieve expansion or compression. >> Perhaps I've missed something on the massive dev chart site that contains >> this info? > > There probably are charts that have information like this, but generally, N+ > and N- development times, as well as N, have to be determined by testing a > given film with your technique and metering habits, as well as your own > equipment. The very definition of N+ and N- is pretty fluid so you need to > establish what these mean to you so that you can figure out what appropriate > development modifications to make to achieve the results you want. > > Jim > > ============================================================================== > =============================== > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your > account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) > and unsubscribe from there. ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.