Charlie, I do like Forte's Polywarmtone fb a great deal. The prints have a very rich look, and the degree of warmth can easily be influenced by the choice of developers and by toning. I've processed it in Agfa's Neutol WA, which gives a decidedly brownish warm tone, and Ilford's PQ Universal, which gives a subtler warmth. I like the untoned color better than the Ilford, which I always found a little too green for my tastes. Toned in a standard selenium mixture (1:20, 5-6 minutes), I've found that the image actually cools off. (I'm told that stronger selenium solutions lead to increased rather than decreased warmth, but I have not tried this.) It bleaches very quickly and, as Tim Rudman points out in his Toning book, loses considerable shadow density in the process. I have tried bleaching and sepia toning and did not like the result. This paper is extra heavyweight, which gives it a wonderful feel and seems to help it dry flatter than other fiber papers I've used. I believe that it only comes in a glossy surface, if that makes a difference. I find this to be a rather contrasty paper on the Saunders VCCE enlarger I'm using, and I usually have to reduce the contrast setting when switching from other papers. I haven't done a direct comparison, but, if I had to guess, I'd say that it might need one grade lower than Ilford's warmtone to achieve a comparable print. The Forte paper is remarkably slow. I generally find that a print on Ilford's warmtone takes twice the exposure of a print made on their neutral paper; the Forte takes 3 to 3.5 the exposure. But, except for some rather long burning times, I don't find that to be a problem. I too have seen variation between batches, mostly in speed. Hope this helps! --Ben ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.