Thanks, Ralph and Richard. I was not referring to the Innocent Form of split printing, that involves burning and dodging. Rather, I had in mind that Cruel and Insidious Trickery detailed by Anshell. What caught my eye, Ralph, was what I **thought** seemed to be your declaration that with C41, you are wasting your time trying this at all, as opposed to using it with silver halide. I thought you were referring to some emulsion difference I wasn't aware of, and meant to discount the functionality of split printing with C41. That's why I asked. I'd never heard of or experienced any such difference between the films themslves. The idea seems implausible, or at any rate irrelevant to a discussion of either type of split printing. Obviously, though, this isn't what you meant. And I thought I had stumbled onto some well-kept Secret! Mike On 1 Oct 2004 at 2:14, DarkroomMagic wrote: > Michael > > As Richard explained in his note, there simply is no difference > between two split-grade exposures or one equally balanced exposure > unless you do some local dodging during one of the split-grade > exposures. Mixing light in one go or doing it in two separate > exposures results into the same thing. The power of split-grade > printing lies in the ability to dodge only during the hard or soft > exposure, which is something you just can't do in a single-grade > exposure. > > For more info go to my site at www.darkroomagic.com and look for the > pdf on 'Basic Split-Grade Printing' in the 'Book' section. It is a > great technique, but there is no magic to split-grade printing. > > > > > > Regards > > > > Ralph W. Lambrecht > > > > > On 9/30/04 9:17 PM, "Michael Healy" <emjayhealy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Ralph, I'm curious to know why you say this. In printing to color > > papers, yes, split printing would seem to be pointless; but b&w > > papers are dealing with light and dyes - blue and green dyes. By > > split printing (using a color head enlarger, anyhow, with magenta > > and yellow), you capitalize on this by severely narrowing the > > spectrum of the light color so it more or less affects only one of > > the dyes. Magenta will register the shadows, yellow will bring out > > details. I can't for the life of me see how film type would negate > > this. > > > > Mind you, I've only ever split printed silver gelatin and HIE. When > > I printed w/ b&w C-41, it was prior to discovering the split method. > > So maybe there's a distinction here that would be obvious to someone > > who had tried? > > > > Mike > > > > On 30 Sep 2004 at 17:57, DarkroomMagic wrote: > > > >> He is probably referring to split-grade printing, which is the > >> combination of two separate exposures, one with a soft and the > >> other with a hard filter. It is a very useful tool when local > >> dodging or burning is combined with this technique. Otherwise, it > >> is exactly the same as using a color enlarger and mixing soft and > >> hard filtration in one exposure. > >> > >> Nevertheless, it has no influence on your problem. It doesn't help > >> or hurt in printing C41 films. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards > >> > >> > >> > >> Ralph W. Lambrecht > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 9/30/04 2:19 PM, "shannon stoney" <sstoney@xxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >>>> we always have one or two students each session who try printing > >>>> c-41 processed b&w negatives. the times will be longer and the > >>>> contrast can be a stuggle; however, it can be done. Someone > >>>> suggested that split printing is very helpful with these > >>>> negatives. I shot some stuff using a roll of Kodak's version to > >>>> experiment with split printing to have a better understanding so > >>>> i could better assist my students. It is still on my list to > >>>> accomplish before the end of the year. > >>> > >>> > >>> What is split printing? > >>> > >>> --shannon > >>> > >>> ================================================================== > >>> == ========== =============================== To unsubscribe from > >>> this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the > >>> same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) > >>> and unsubscribe from there. > >> > >> =================================================================== > >> === ======================================= To unsubscribe from > >> this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the > >> same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) > >> and unsubscribe from there. > > > > > > > > ==================================================================== > > ========== =============================== To unsubscribe from this > > list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same > > e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and > > unsubscribe from there. > > ====================================================================== > ======================================= To unsubscribe from this list, > go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail > address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe > from there. ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.