Dear Jonathan, I agree and, moreover, the example of the bridge (wikipedia) in evening light with the bridge lights on looked like a well timed (just the right amount of magic hour glow), well exposed, transparency. It used to take careful timing and good technique to achieve this. Basically Frotoshop releases you from the considerations of time and weather. It also seems to be much ado to achieve with digital cameras what film has always delivered in the hands of a relatively competent pro. CHEERS! BOB _____ From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mail1 Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 11:01 PM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Skies It's interesting that the narrow dynamic range of the digital sensor has sparked a renewal of extended range photo techniques to compensate for a problem that black and white photographers have managed through exposure and compensation development. Jonathan Ayers [mail1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] _____ From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Justin F. Knotzke Sent: Monday, May 14, 2007 9:19 AM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Skies On 14/05/07, Sauerwald Mark <mark_sauerwald@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: You can also do a similar technique with a double exposure in camera, with a graded neutral density filter, stacked with the colour filter. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattgarner/498016050/ It's all the rage now on Flickr and other sites.. Take multiple exposures and blend 'em in Photoshop. I believe there's some sort of plugin that does it for you.. When I first saw these images appear on the Web, my first instinct was "damn, that's impressive" until I would flip through the rest of their portfolio and realized that not all the images looked like that.. Then I did some digging and realized it was a gimmick. Unless you are a photojournalist, or someone who prides in presenting images that have not been modified in anyway, I think the rule of thumb is to push it until the viewer knows something is fishy. I'm sure getting decent skies can be done through double exposures etc.. That's fine. http://www.picture-box.com/Resources/Barry-Thornton-1.jpg Is he using just a filter to hold in the sky and the ground ? J -- Justin F. Knotzke jknotzke@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.shampoo.ca No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date: 5/13/2007 12:17 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.0/803 - Release Date: 5/13/2007 12:17 PM