[pure-silver] Re: 'Ripening' procedure for developer?

  • From: "Jeffery Smith" <jls@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 20:52:32 -0500

Then it is probably a good alternative to the borax. At least it's worth a
try.

Jeffery Smith
New Orleans, LA
http://www.400tx.com
http://400tx.blogspot.com/



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When Borax [Na2B4O7.(10)H2O] + Sodium Hydroxide [(2)NaOH] are fused together
sodium metaborate [(2)Na2B2O4.(4)H2O+(3)H2O]is formed  Kodalk has alkaline
properties between those of Borax and sodium carbonate. Borax at 2% solution
yields pH 9.4 and Sodium Metaborate at 2% yields pH 10.4 Sodium Hydroxide is
very caustic alkali at pH 13

Jonathan Ayers [mail1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

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Well, this was a circular search. I had heard that some people used Kodalk
instead of borax. I went to PF, which states the following: "Kodak has
changed the name Kodalk; to Balanced Alkali; - this is their proprietary
name for sodium metaborate."

Inasmuch as sodium metaborate is borax, I'm glad I didn't order Kodalk.

Richard, do you know of other alkaline activators for the developer? 

Jeffery Smith
New Orleans, LA
http://www.400tx.com
http://400tx.blogspot.com/



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Subject: [pure-silver] Re: 'Ripening' procedure for 
developer?


Developers like D76 change for the worse over time. One of 
the problems is
pH change, which affects the activity of the developing 
agent. I have been
using divided D76, which is a bit more stable. The first 
bath allows
inactive developer to soak into the emulsion. Time and temp 
aren't
important. Transferred to the alkaline bath (borax), the 
developer in the
gelatin becomes active until it is exhausted. The first bath 
can be reused
over and over. The 2nd bath (cheap) is discarded.

But I am getting to the point that I don't trust developer 
unless it is
fresh. I have bought about 5 kits of Paterson citric acid 
developer. By the
time it reaches the states and gets into my darkroom, it is 
DOA.

Jeffery Smith
New Orleans, LA
http://www.400tx.com
http://400tx.blogspot.com/

     D-76 is an interesting case. Shortly after the formula 
was released in 1927 it was discovered that its activity 
increased slowly. The real cause took decades to discover 
but the immediate cause was a rise in pH. In 1929 a research 
paper was published by Kodak Research Labs describing the 
problem and a solution for it along with data on a great 
many variations of the formula. The cure was to buffer the 
solution by using a combination of Borax and Boric acid. The 
data in the paper shows the the developement time for the 
original formula for a given gamma was reduced to a bit more 
than half the time after storage for about a month. For the 
buffered version there was insignificant change over the 
same period.
     It was discovered much later that the mechanism for the 
pH rise was a slow reaction between the Hydroquinone and the 
Sulfite which produces a small amount of Sodium Hydroxide. 
Developers which do not contain Hydroquinone do not suffer 
from this problem. It is likely that the pH of many M-H 
developers are high enough to begin with that the small rise 
from this reaction is of no significance.
     The packaged version of D-76 has been the buffered type 
for several decades. For those interested the formulas are 
as foll

Standard D-76
Water (at 125F or 52C)                760.0 ml
Metol                                   2.0 grams
Sodium Sulfite, dessicated            100.0 grams
Hydroquinone                            5.0 grams
Borax                                   2.0 grams
Water to make                           1.0 liter

D-76d
Water (at 125F or 52C)                750.0 ml
Metol                                   2.0 grams
Sodium Sulfite, dessicated            100.0 grams
Hydroquinone                            5.0 grams
Borax                                   8.0 grams
Boric Acid, Crystaline                  8.0 grams
Water to make                           1.0 liter

This will have the same activity as the original formula 
when fresh.

The activity of the buffered developer can be varied over a 
wide range by changing the relative amounts of Borax and 
Boric Acid.
Crystaline Boric Acid should be used because the granulated 
variety dissolves with great difficulty.

     A note about packaged Kodak products:  Kodak has a 
large number of patents for the stabilization of the 
ingredients of both powder and liquid developers and other 
chemistry. They also seem to have paid a lot of attention 
over the years to sequestering agents, etc., to make their 
packaged chemistry as nearly immune to water quality as 
possible. No doubt other manufacturers have done the same. 
Other than a couple of bad experiences with Xtol I have 
never had a failure with any packaged Kodak product. There 
is a limit of lifetime to the materials in the paper 
packets. The packages are made of a paper lined with 
metalized plastic. They were supposed to be completely 
impervious to air and moisture but obviously are not. I 
don't know the mechanism of the failure but suspect it is 
micro-cracks in the metalized plastic liner. In any case, 
I've opened very old packages of Dektol which looked like 
coffee grounds and smelled like dead mice. Not nice. The 
very old stuff in hermetically sealed tin cans seems to last 
forever. A couple of years ago Kodak got rid of the paper 
packages in favor of all plastic ones with one less seal. 
Its too soon to know how well these hold up for long time 
periods.
     Some liquid concentrates do not have unlimited life. 
For instance, rapid fixer will eventually decompose. Again, 
I don't know the mechanism but it may be due to leakage of 
air through the plastic containers and is at least partly 
due to the inherent instability of the chemicals although 
they are treated to improve their stability.

---
Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

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