I passed on the original post, assuming someone more knowledgeable than myself would pick up on it. First problem seems to be you are using a problem scene as a means of testing for your standard exposure and development. I agree a gray card is not essential, but a reasonably standardized scene would be more useful than this extreme case. First you get in the ball park for the film and developer, then you apply what you have learned to solve problem cases like this one. I have no experience with delta 400 or xtol so can't predict how far off you might be. I do know that films more usually fall at half the ISO, not double, so I would see that as a tactical error for a first test. Testing usually results in less than the recommended development for N development. This means the recommended development is usually expanding, or plus development. The development advice from Way Beyond Monochrome, using the standard development, would probably correctly expand the average flat scene normally expected on a gloomy day. But you're already metering the dogs at III and VII, where you want to place them, so you sure don't need any expansion. So it looks to me like you're both underexposed and overdeveloped. The black dog is too far down, the golden dog is too far up, neither dog is close to your intended placement. It's asking a lot of a filter. Regards... Dick Gifford Peter Badcock wrote: >>//www.freelists.org/archives/pure-silver/01-2005/msg00666.html >>//www.freelists.org/archives/pure-silver/01-2005/msg00688.html > > > I don't seem to have had any suggestions for solving my > problem so I might post it to another online forum. Can > anyone recommend one to try? > > thanks > Peter Badcock ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.