mar3005 from Lloyd Erlick, Supposedly the paper base used for the current Agfa fiber base paper Classic, in the matte finish, is the same as was used for Portriga. The glossy version uses a different base. I learned this from an employee of the distributor for Agfa papers some years ago. I used to love Portriga, although I did not use enough of it to become an expert, or even to satisfy myself. My search for a warm tone FB paper suitable for portraits led me to Ilford FB Warmtone (designated MGW). In some ways I even prefer this material to the Portriga sold at the end of its existence, after it had been changed to comply with environmental regulations. MGW is a variable contrast paper, which some people may not like. I find it quite versatile, however. Also, it does not really become 'warm' unless it is toned (I like it in selenium; I use Kodak selenium toner, KRST). The base of MGW is quite bright white, not at all like Portriga. The base is noticeably warmer than the base of other papers, though, especially resin coated glossy ones. But you have to compare side by side to perceive the difference. Also, the character of the warm tone on MGW is intimately linked to the developer, enlarger exposure, and perhaps even fixer characteristics. Of course, this was true of Portriga, too. Still, all in all, I wish I had the choice of Portriga or MGW. They are radically different in practice, and each has (or would have...) its place. regards, --le ________________________________ Lloyd Erlick Portraits, Toronto. voice: 416-686-0326 email: portrait@xxxxxxxxxxxx net: www.heylloyd.com ________________________________ -- ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.