I suspect that for my lifetime (I'm 60), there will be an adequately diverse supply of B&W and color film and paper products [more B&W than color, as color porduction is rapidly shifting to all digital]. However, with Kodak terminating it's B&W lab several years ago and turning all resources to digital development, it will provide continuation of its current products so long as there is an economic market, and no more. Fuji seems more active in film-based development. Ilford probably would do so but for its thin hold on solvency. Universities and individuals aren't going to have the resources to develop film-based products, much less to market such products - forget that. I'll settle for the status quo or, more likely, a slowing contracting supply of products from the remaining majors. I think the hope for the future of B&W is most likely to rest on the small makers, like Forte, who operate at lower volumes and will be benefited by the majors fleeing the traditional marketplace. Not a cheerful estimate of the future of traditional photography as a rich and diverse supply of product, but as a medium it will likely suvive at some low volume of product. It was happening long beofre digital came along. Example: in the 60's when I learned B&W printing, Kodak dominated the US market with so many diverse styles of printing paper that just making an intellegent selection was tough, and this required 4 -6 grades of paper contrast for each type and paper surface in addition. There were probably more variations of Kodak Medalist paper [my favorite of the day] alone than all of the collected B&W papers available in the world today. All of that product diversity went out of production long before digital arrived, driven by a popular turn from B&W to color. The demise of photo products and the technology which drives it is a one-way trip, and it's not going to be reversed by pleas to the manufacturers. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: afterswift@xxxxxxx To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 9:44 AM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Impassioned Pleas To Manufacturers I conjecture that on a world-wide basis there will always be a large, competitive market to sustain film-based photography. What is also important is the continuation of R&D in film and processing. If commercial outfits, like Kodak and Fuji, ignore innovations in film, university labs and individual researchers and inventors should make it a priority. Bob -----Original Message----- From: info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 2:52 AM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Impassioned Pleas To Manufacturers I’ll add one plea to that. Please leave enough people who actually buy photographic materials and equipment. Because that’s the only way to ensure that it will be made in the future. Regards Ralph W. Lambrecht http://www.darkroomagic.com On 2006-12-30 23:54, "Stein" <rstein@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Dear Friends, I have decided not to make New Year's Resolution. Instead, I am going to make impassioned pleas to manufacturers and institutions. This year it begins with: 1. Please make LF shutters - particularly Copal 1's and 0's - with a flash connection that is easy to use. Perhaps a 6 inch length of sturdy PC cord from the side of the shutter and the PC socket out on the end of that - then when we want to change flash connections with the lens under a compendium we do not have to fumble under the lens in the dark. And the socket cannot break off the shutter body. 2. Please make Polaroid 4 x 5 sheet film and get it to me in Australia before it goes out of date. 3. Please make Fuji 4 x 5 instant sheet film to fit my Polaroid holder. Uncle Dick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.1/611 - Release Date: 12/31/2006 12:47 PM