[pure-silver] Re: Grain
- From: Claudio Bonavolta <claudio@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:30:41 +0100
Thanks for your feedback Ralph.
I'll try this route.
Best Regards,
Claudio Bonavolta
http://www.bonavolta.ch
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De: DarkroomMagic <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:59:59 +0100
Sujet: [pure-silver] Re: Grain
À: PureSilverNew <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>I went the service bureau route and it works well and is not expensive.
>These machines will be around for a while. Inkjets don¹t work for me; there
>are not good enough.
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>Regards
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>Ralph W. Lambrecht
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>http://www.darkroomagic.com
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>On 2006-01-11 17:37, "Claudio Bonavolta" <claudio@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> Hi Ralph,
>>
>> I too find it pricey, that's why I haven't bought it yet (nor Dan
>> Burkholder's
>> book, I must say, as it isn't recent).
>> Both look to me as being very related to the equipment available making them
>> obsolete pretty quickly.
>>
>> I've suscribed to the PDN mailing-list which is pretty active (I believed
>> digital negatives were marginal, it seems not) and for the few I've seen,
>> Mark
>> seems very helpful.
>>
>> I'm only starting to lurke at this technology as it is one option to print
>> digital files. And, for now, I'd prefer not to invest in a high-level inkjet
>> printer without being certain it will really work fine with silver gelatin
>> papers (B/W but color too ...).
>>
>> Perhaps, I'll try to find a service bureau with an imagesetter here in Geneva
>> for some preliminary tests.
>>
>> I'm still dreaming of a digital enlarger for the advanced amateur.
>> But, I'm afraid it will remain a dream for some time.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Claudio Bonavolta
>> http://www.bonavolta.ch
>>
>> ----- Message d'origine -----
>> De: DarkroomMagic <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:57:44 +0100
>> Sujet: [pure-silver] Re: Grain
>> À: PureSilverNew <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>>> Claudio
>>>
>>> I find the price of $75 a bit hefty for a pdf file. Dan's book is very good
>>> and costs a lot less. Also the sample chapter doesn't seem to work. Did you
>>> buy it? Comments?
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>>> Regards
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>>> Ralph W. Lambrecht
>>>
>>> http://www.darkroomagic.com
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>>> On 2006-01-11 09:57, "Claudio Bonavolta" <claudio@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Tim,
>>>>
>>>> Could you keep us informed on your future tests ?
>>>> I'm pretty interested by the subject too. Unfortunately, without having
>>>> enough
>>>> energy/time/money to spend on it.
>>>>
>>>> Aside Dan Burkholder's book, there is also Mark Nelson's e-book
>>>> (http://www.precisiondigitalnegatives.com), basically a procedure to
>>>> calculate
>>>> Photoshop curves to linearize the curve on the output paper (whatever it
>>>> is).
>>>> He also set up a mailing-list (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PDNPrint/) but
>>>> the major activity is on alternative processes where the flaws of inkjet
>>>> negatives show less.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and best regards,
>>>> Claudio Bonavolta
>>>> http://www.bonavolta.ch
>>>>
>>>> ----- Message d'origine -----
>>>> De: "Tim Rudman" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:38:30 -0000
>>>> Sujet: [pure-silver] Re: Grain
>>>> À: "'Len Eselson'" <leneselson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Results are only suitable for contact printing Len, not for enlargement.
>>>>>
>>>>> The best I know of are:
>>>>> Pictorico OHP Transparency film
>>>>>
>>>>> Pictorico Photo Gallery Hi-Gloss White Film - a more expensive white
>>>>> glossy
>>>>> film that is much denser (semi-opaque) than OHP film. It holds ink better
>>>>> and gives better detail and tonality for the unforgiving nature of glossy
>>>>> silver prints. It can be printed through, but at the price of greatly
>>>>> extended exposure times.
>>>>>
>>>>> Permajet Digital Transfer film - a similar transparent coated Clear High
>>>>> Gloss Film and less expensive than the Pictorico above, using the same
>>>>> ceramic particle technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fotospeed Digital Contact Film is also a clear gloss ceramic technology
>>>>> film, slightly thinner - I will be starting tests shortly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Len Eselson [mailto:leneselson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>> Sent: 10 January 2006 15:25
>>>>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Tim Rudman
>>>>> Subject: Re: [pure-silver] Re: Grain
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim,
>>>>> What materials did you use for your negatives made on inkjet printers ?
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried to make digital masks on inkjet printers for conventional
>>>>> printing,
>>>>> and for the materials I tried, found that they had a coating of some sort,
>>>>> arranged in an orderly grid, which showed up in the print when it was
>>>>> enlarged (MF negs, 16X20 prints)
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried various materials, and printers. The best being the Epson 2200,
>>>>> and
>>>>> Pictorico Transparancy Film but the results were not acceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you found a combination which allows enlargement in the range of 8-10
>>>>> times ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Len Eselson
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:34:47 -0000, Tim Rudman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been experimenting a little with digital negatives, intended for
>>>>>> silver, but also some examples with platinum.
>>>>>> I joined Dan Burkholder on one of his 1 week workshops at the Formulary
>>>>>> last year before giving mine there.
>>>>>> I have compared image setter icefield negs and those from a number of
>>>>>> inkjet printers (UK - 1290, 2100, 1400 - or I believe in the US 1280,
>>>>>> 2200 & 2400)and on a variety of 'negative' materials.
>>>>>> The results from desktop inkjet printers are getting pretty good for
>>>>>> hand coated papers now. Silver gelatine glossy is less forgiving and
>>>>>> results are not bad at all and silver gelatine matt. s/matt and
>>>>>> textured are good. I imagine that they will continue to improve.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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