Kodak sells two Sepia toners. I formulated Sepia II to be a stronger bleach. Use it if you are having trouble bleaching. The redeveloper is the same in Sepia I or II. Sepia I was designed years ago for the old simple emulsion chemistry papers. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Neilsen Photography" <eric@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:22 PM Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Good news from Ilford > Don, I too, find that the MG IV tones quite nicely with selenium and sepia > toners. If you are using a Kodak sepia bleach package, you may find that it > takes like what feels like a year to bleach compared to Agfa papers, a > stronger mix will get the job done quite nicely. It takes less than a minute > to completely bleach a MGIV glossy print in my darkroom. I don't claim the > toning prowess of Sir Tim, but I can certainly get the MGIV to accept > selenium toning from punching the blacks to producing quite reddish > highlights. > > Perhaps, you need to readjust your solution strengths and times a little or > it could be that they just don't work like you'd like them too and that is > OK. But they do tone for me and many others, so perhaps it's a personal > thing. : ) > > EJ Neilsen > > Eric Neilsen Photography > 4101 Commerce Street > Suite 9 > Dallas, TX 75226 > http://e.neilsen.home.att.net > http://ericneilsenphotography.com > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver- > > bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Feinberg > > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:16 PM > > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Good news from Ilford > > > > Tim -- > > > > Methinks you're looking too hard ... > > > > MG IV (normal, not the WT) doesn't tone in selenium. Or sulfide. At all. > > But you know that! > > > > - Don Feinberg > > ducque@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Rudman" <ps@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 1:40 PM > > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Good news from Ilford > > > > > > >I use Ilford papers a lot and I both bleach and tone a lot. I don't have > > >any > > > problems with them, what difficulty do you have? > > > MGWT is extremely responsive to bleach. I have just finished a series > > last > > > week on MGWT, lots of light values - wanted to tone only those, leaving > > > some > > > black silver in mid tones and low values unaffected. I was using working > > > strength bleach at 1/10th 'normal' and bleaching for only 25 seconds. I > > > certainly wouldn't want anything reacting faster than that! :-) > > > > > > Tim > > > http://www.worldbookoflithprinting.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Len Eselson > > > Sent: 13 July 2005 17:11 > > > To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Good news from Ilford > > > > > > Unfortunately, the Ilford fiber papers do not bleach or tone as readily > > as > > > the Kodak papers. Forte, Agfa, Berger and others do. I wish Ilford would > > > fix > > > this. > > > > > > Rgds > > > > > > Len Eselson > > > > > > On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:47:39 +0100, RH Designs wrote: > > > > > >>In today's British Journal of Photography: > > > > > >>"[Ilford] has also reacted to Kodak's announcement that it is to stop > > >>manufacturing black-and-white papers by releasing a chart showing its > > >>own equivalents to Kodak's papers. This can be downloaded from ... > > >>www.ilfordphoto.com by clicking on the Monochrome Products availability > > > list." > > > > > >>I just had a look at the site and can't find it at that location, but > > >>it is available at http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/wwpal.html. > > > > > >>Regards > > >>Richard > > > > > >>====================================================================== = > > >>====================================== > > >>To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to > > >>your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you > > >>subscribed,) > > > and unsubscribe from there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================================================================== > > == > > > ================================= > > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your > > > account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you > > > subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > > > > > > > > > > > ========================================================================== > > =================================== > > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your > > > account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you > > > subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > > > > ========================================================================== > > =================================== > > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your > > account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you > > subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > > ============================================================================ ================================= > To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. > ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.