Funny you should ask now. There has been a rather lengthy thread on APUG on chemical fogging for reversal. The only important points are these. Kodak now uses a separate bath for this purpose for E-6 rather than doing it during the second development as they did for the E-4 process. This bath consists of stannous chloride in a buffered acidic solution of propionic acid. This bath is used before the second developer after a wash to remove any remaining tin salt. There is no reason why this bath cannot be used for B&W reversal. I would be tempted to just buy this product as it is ~ $13 for enough concentrate to make 5 gal of bath. Jerry -----Original Message----- From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Banister Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:13 AM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Chemical Fogging in Reversal Processing Hello, I'm wondering if anyone has any experience they'd care to relate about reversal processing of black and white film, and in particular about using chemistry rather than light to fog the emulsion either as a separate step or by using a fogging developer. I've asked related questions of a couple of list members via private email and on their recommendation I've obtained Grant Haist's two volume book, _Modern Photographic Processing_. Chapter 7 in volume 2, "Reversal Processing of Black and White Materials," answered any questions I had and several I hadn't considered to ask. Since I have also often learned the answers to questions I hadn't considered to ask by reading of the experiences of others, I thought that I'd ask y'all if anyone has any B&W reversal processing experiences you'd care to tell about. I've searched for reversal related posts in the archives, but found little in the way of related experiences with deliberate chemical fogging as part of reversal processing. I'm aware that it's often recommended to use light for the fogging, but I have the notion that with chemistry I could eventually learn to program it all into my autoprocessor once I have a method that works. It'll probably be a year or so before I'll actually be doing reversal tests with film, so please don't consider that I have any immediate need. I'm still gathering information and letting it percolate in my mind. Thanks for taking the time to read these words. John Banister ======================================================================== ===================================== To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. ============================================================================================================To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.